Quotes from Blue -

I used to say to environmentalists: Studying the problems doesn't do anything. They must be dealt with concretely, efficiently, and now. At least make some effort in real, beyond money, approval, marches, etc. I say if we don't get together and war on pollution, we all perish. War for life.

He never wanted to be a leader. Some people just have that. They're born with it, they are natural leaders. He didn't want to be a leader. He was interesting, he was self-contained, he was self-assured, he was enjoying his life, and that in itself caused people to look at him, to watch him. So he did not direct things. He was really, in fact, in many ways in our will, dealing with our problems. Oftentimes he would walk away from us. Our confusion and baggage were just too much for him. He just had to get away and clear his mind. We got him where he's at. This is our trip that has him in prison.

We all had complete autonomy and freedom, and I think that's one reason that there was so much harmony amongst everybody. We didn't feel constrained by anything. We were free to evolve, to explore our- our inner selves, to grow - as Charlie said, to be reborn. Every day was like a day to be reborn and to start all over, in a new, good day. He absolutely did not control anything that went on at that ranch. The only one thing that he insisted upon was don't lie. Make your word good. He lived by the old convict code. Don't snitch. Do not snitch. Take responsibility for your own actions. Whatever you do, you do because you want to do it and take responsibility for what you do. And unfortunately, that's not what people have ended up doing. They're going along with the D.A.'s lies in order to get their freedom from prison. They have bought into the D.A.'s reality.

Helter Skelter is Vincent Bugliosi's reality. He has in part caused Helter Skelter. Helter Skelter mean confusion. Anyone who can't see that this country is in a mass state of confusion is truly blind. Manson saw the confusion coming. He's seen the roots of many of the problems that we have as a country, as a world. He's seen these. He's had years and years and years in prisons alone to reflect on things, plus he's seen thousands of different people. He's lived with them. He's been exposed to law, justice, crime, all of his life. He has a huge mind in crime and in everything.

From the very beginning the cards were totally stacked against him. He was denied his fundamental pro per (the right to be your own lawyer). It was taken away from him. Bugliosi knew that was illegal. Bugliosi knew that Manson had the intelligence, the capability. Other lawyers knew that he had more than the capability of defending himself, yet the truth that he spoke and his ability to put things across was frightening to the establishment. The judge stood up and just said, you know, gaveled, "Mr. Manson, this is my court room", and he took his pro per away from him. From that time on Charlie was denied his right to put on a defense. He couldn't speak for himself. He couldn't call witnesses. He couldn't cross examine witnesses. Bugliosi used the power of the district attorney's office, the money, the resources of investigators, he was able to coerce witnesses by making deals with them. There were people who testified for the prosecution who had pending charges against them. Bugliosi said, "You say what we want you to say or - and we'll drop your charges." People were paid. People were intimidated. Women's babies were taken away from them. They took my child. They tried to use my child as leverage to get me to testify against Charlie. They took Susan Atkins' child away from her. They took Mary Brunner's child away from her. They used every trick in the book to get people to say what would fit with Bugliosi's scenario. And this is still going on, even worse nowadays, the way they use snitches. Snitches always lie. All Manson really wanted was the right to speak for himself. Nobody can speak for Manson.

Manson - you could call him a prophet. A prophet is simply somebody who is aware, somebody who is aware, that sees the wheel of history. He understands where thoughts come from, the evolution of thoughts and where they are rolling. It's beyond ego.

Manson grew up with black people. He spent twenty-two years in prison before we even met him. He's spent a total of forty- seven years in prisons. He's lived with them, so he sees. He sees what is. He sees how they see us. He sees their awareness. He knows what's in their mind. He knows them collectively. During the sixties the Muslims were speaking things. The Panthers were talking about simply killing whitey. A lot of these movements come from the penitentiaries, so the roots go back to the forties and before.

You think the Manson people were frightening? Wait till the next wave of kids grows up, wait until the five-year-olds become 17-year-olds.

(Manson) is totally natural. He does not try. He simply does not try to do anything that he does. He is living out of the present, moving from his own center, for himself, and for the experience of living.

There were no hard drugs at that ranch. We smoked grass, took LSD, peyote, mescaline. We didn't ever abuse those substances. They were used in the spirit that the American Indians used them, for psychic cleansing, for spiritual enlightenment, for mind expansion. No substances were abused. Nothing that controlled us was ever used. And you can look at most of us and see that we've always taken good care of ourselves.

Society in general is living in a matriarchy. Manson is not in a matriarchy. He's a patriarch. He's a true patriarch. He has true authority and surety. It doesn't come from ego or desire to manipulate. It comes from God. Authority can be tender. It can be fierce. It's knowing. There's no fake, phony, jive ego purposes behind true authority.

There is a universal consciousness that's always been held down by a bunch of educated idiots who call themselves teachers and schools. To have your own mind in a world of programmed patterned robots is total freedom and is called insanity. Manson is beyond the minds that have no soul, beyond what you're told, bought, or sold. He doesn't struggle for approval. He doesn't care what other people think. He does what he does for the spirit of the truth. He's rolling to redeem trees and life on earth. Manson is the man of god people always condemn and punish for telling the truth they lever want to hear. Manson is not in society and never has been any part of schools, churches, or governments. He's been in cages over 45 years because he won't give in to them. Manson knows more about prisons, crime, courts, justice, etc. than anyone in the world. You would need to put a child through prison to get the whole prison inside his mind's brain and to survive it all would be almost impossible. Manson is infinite consciousness, that which moves in the child before mother's word confusion. What he says and does is brand new. There is no place that he is not. He sees without eyes and lives without form. He lives in the eyes of the children from behind life in zoos, in the trees, the grass, the bugs, and most of all he's in your heart.

Women are especially responsible because woman is the earth. It's her nature and job to take care of the earth. Women have been raising and holding children with fears and insecurities to go for the paychecks, to uphold the present way of life. Women fear real change and reflect their fear upon the children, and it's her fear that holds down positive change. The USA is living in a matriarchy centered in fear and money, not earth and survival and life on earth is dying because of it. Males for the most part are reflections of their mothers' and other women's fears.

In millions of people the will to live is dim. They want out of the hell they created, live in, and perpetuate. If you can redeem your own mind and soul out from all your conditioning and cultural brainwash and be what Manson calls "reborn", then you'll see clearly the need to redeem ATWA now.

The mass of people are sheep and move whichever way the money or the biggest fear tells them to move. When air and water get bad enough people will do as they are told. It doesn't matter what people think. It's what is. Do you want to live? Then fix your air and water. Save your trees and wildlife. Those who war upon any part of nature are warring upon themselves and their children.

The people who want life on earth are with Manson in the will of life and are working beyond money and ego trips. For one God, one world, one court, one government, one mind.

He [Manson] spoke of women as earth. Woman as the earth. We're here to procreate, to bear children, to nurture children, to nurture that which gives us life, which is the earth. We must take care of the earth or there is no life for anything. It's what we call ATWA: air, trees, water and animals. The will to put our intelligence, our whole life into fixing that which we are as women. Earth. We've seen it dying. We all seen the pollution. We've seen the trees being cut. We've seen the gradual extinction of wildlife. We were aware of these things.

I think what is justified is whatever it takes to stop the destruction of life on earth.

We were living on the ground. We didn't have TVs. We didn't have electricity. We didn't have hot water. We realized that if other people would see that this is really a far more reasonable way to live, we could save our air. Give up the automobiles. Charlie said, when he got arrested, "Go ride a horse." We were getting back to the earth, and we saw that this lifestyle could save a world that's way overpopulated and polluted.

I had 3000 letters to the heads of corporations and industries throughout the United States and some in Europe that are destroying the air, the water, the land, the wildlife. They weren't personal threats. They were simply saying what would happen if they continued to destroy what keeps people, what sustains life. They weren't on a personal level because there's no way that I could personally give these people the justice that they're calling for. As people start dying, as their air and water runs out, and their children are getting cancer, and they're getting cancer and things become intolerable in this country, people will awake to what has destroyed the economy and who has destroyed the ecology. People will lose their minds and do whatever they do. Madness is coming. I didn't personally threaten anybody. One of the radio interviews that I gave was to Hamilton, Ontario. I got five years for that inter- view. I've got the interview right here and there is no threatening words in this interview. I created fear in the corporate world because they don't want to be exposed. I was naming names, and they don't want people to know how they're destroying life on earth.

A 1988 Interview with Blue:

Q = Interviewer
A = Sandy "Blue" Good
C = Callers who phoned in

Q: What are your recollections of the Family, and how did you join their number, and what were the sort of things in your own family environment that may have prompted you to leave and take up with others and come to consider them your family. Do you remember those days in the 60's?

A: Of course. I still live there at the ranch. First of all, you're misinformed, as is everybody misinformed, about the so called "The Family." There was no organization or group called "The Family." The Family was a term given by the media to an amorphous group of people, some of whom went to prison in 1969. We lived on a ranch in the Santa Susanna mountains, called the Spahn Ranch and later we lived in Death Valley. We didn't call ourselves anything, but we made a lot of music and somebody said "Well, what do you call your group?" And somebody said, "Well, we're the Family Jams." So, over a period of time, because the media usually needs to put labels on situations, we got the name "The Family." But there were literally hundreds of people who came and went. Later on, you might say, there was a core of people who were very very close together and who stayed true to the thought that we had for stopping the war in Vietnam and for protecting our air, our water, our trees and our wildlife. We were so committed to those causes that the murders more or less evolved out of our desire to change the system.

Q: Remember the book by Ed Sanders? He wrote a book called "The Family."

A: Oh yes. Ed wrote that book for money and it has nothing to do with truth or the reality of what happened. He knew what would sell. He knows that certain subjects; sex, violence, occultism, etc. sell. And he lied. I'd say that maybe one percent of that book has truth in it. The other 99 percent is lies.

Q: Charles Manson himself never referred to his group as a family?

A: No.

Q: In the 60's, you were in a rebellious state of mind, weren't you? Did you come from a family environment that was somehow intolerable?

A: No. No more than any other person that came from my kind of environment. I came from an upper-middle class family. I had been to college off and on for a total of seven years. I never got a degree because I switched majors from English literature to marine biology. I had a lot of ideals. I had concepts of honor and nobility and things that I got from reading Shakespeare and literature. So, I was a very idealistic person. And I looked around at the world I lived in, and at the government, and my parents and their friends, and I saw no honor. I saw no truth. I saw no joy of living. I saw no purpose. And I didn't believe I fit. I was looking for something beyond what I saw. When I met Manson, I saw a man who was sure of himself, who was all the way alive, who didn't have doubt, who didn't need to ask a woman or a boss or somebody what to do. He was lively. He sang. He danced. He never lied. He was very truthful. And that attracted me as it attracted a lot of people. He didn't direct things. He more or less reflected us back at ourselves. He saw more in us than we saw in ourselves. He saw that we were locked by our parents' doubts and our parents' programming. In my case, the need to achieve, the need to get a doctorate degree. I felt if I didn't get a Ph.D., I was a failure. I was programmed by that type of programming. Each of us sort of represented a different level of American society.

Q: This lively, dancing man; where did you meet him?

A: I was living in San Francisco and I had dropped out of college and I met an artist who had a friend who had an airplane. He wanted to fly to L.A. to sell some of his paintings and so I flew with him. He had been talking about Manson. He kept talking on and on about Manson. He was very impressed by him. And I could could care less. I wanted to go surfing. So we rented a car in L.A. and drove to Topanga Canyon and that's where I met Manson. Maybe there were ten to fifteen other people who were living in the house in Topanga Canyon at that time. I was very impressed by the people there and I never went back to San Francisco. I called and told my roommates that they could have all my possessions, and I never went back.

Q: Did you ever have any contact with your biological family in those rebellious years?

A: I wasn't really rebellious. I didn't take drugs. I was searching and I was never really close to my parents. I was 24 years old at the time and I wasn't really beholden to them in any way. I wasn't close. I kept contact with my father, my dad. I would check in now and then with him. I never really had much contact with my mother, even when I was growing up. She was a social climber and involved in money and images and that I saw as a very empty - It's sort of the way Nancy Reagan and those people are - it's a very empty, superficial, hollow - it's really a cruel way of living - When they put money over the well-being of the planet and of their own children. They care more about their social image and their status than they care about whether there is going to be air and water to sustain their own children's lives.

Q: But your own parents bestowed some of this wealth you criticize on you, to your advantage.

A: Yeah, but they didn't spoil me. It was the tradition to send your kids to college. I lived modestly. I didn't have a car. I wasn't a spoiled child at all, especially emotionally. There were really no ties or obligations to them. I worked. I didn't ask them for much. I didn't rebel. I didn't cause them any grief and when I became acquainted with what's called the Manson Family, I felt more akin to these people than I ever did to my own family. They were lively people. They weren't neurotic. In the so-called Family, we shed a lot of doubts, a lot of inhibitions about what we could or couldn't do. We became younger. We kind of got back to the state of being that you have as a child, where your mind isn't full of doubt and inadequacy and you have faith in yourself. So, basically what happened was, we re-established the faith in ourselves that we had as children before parents and teachers and schools, and all that, took the faith away from us.

Q: In August 1969, you were still at the ranch when they, Watson, et. al., went out on the hunt?

A: I was there.

Q: Why didn't you choose to accompany them?

A: I was eight months pregnant, and it wasn't my destiny to do that, anyway. And those murders were not at the direction of Charles Manson. Those people that went out did so of their own free will and of their own volition. There was reason in each person's mind for what they did. It had nothing to do with Manson's will or his direction. He had nothing to do with those murders. The kids that did those killings were primarily middle-class people who were raised in similar ways that I was raised and did not like what was going on in this country. They wanted to stop the war in Vietnam. They wanted to stop the pollution. They wanted to get one of their brothers out of jail who was arrested for something. There were different reasons for those killings which haven't been fully explained. It could be explained but it would take a lot of time...

What happened is that the prosecution, the D.A. and all those people didn't want to face the fact that kids that could have been their own kids did these things. So, they had a person who was raised on the bottom of society, very poor, little education, who had been raised in jail since he was nine years old - that's Manson - and they said that he was the driving force behind what happened. Then the D.A. saw that a lot of money could be made through the trial, through books, through movie rights, T.V., Helter Skelter shows, and he covered up the truth because he was selling something.

What happens when a prosecution doesn't have a case is they'll take people, for example, they took a biker who was a pretty sleazy guy. He had charges against him, and they made a deal with this guy that in return for false testimony they would drop all his charges. It happens a lot. They (government) cut deals. They get people to lie and then they give the person the false identity and money and relocate them to another state. They dragged up people from all kinds of places, made all kinds of deals and they created a case that would serve the prosecution. Of course, the jury looks to the judge as a father figure and the judge is working for public opinion and for dollars and holding hands with the D.A., etc. So, it's really unfortunate these days that the court room is not a place where the truth comes out. It's a very tragic situation because what this country was founded on was the rights - what people died for were for people's rights in the courtroom and Charles Manson did not get his rights in the courtroom. All his rights have been taken from him.

Q: Is that another motive for prosecuting Charles Manson, because he, the D.A., "doesn't have any friends" and he was jealous because Manson had so many friends?

A: Well, people that don't have substance within themselves and don't have a center in love and faith and truth, they look to money. They bust their rear-ends on the freeway going back and forth to jobs they hate to get money, to get approval, to get attention. This is a motive in millions of people. It's not just the D.A. that's been selling lies. It's the media, all the thousands of media people that have been feeding off of what they call the Family. The D.A. was a very competitive fellow and he did want to make a big name for himself and be a big somebody. He was a very jealous person. I had several encounters with him. It was eating him up that there were so many people that were loyal to Manson. He didn't have anybody that would stand by him. So, that eats up a lot of people when they don't have any loyalty or love that they can count on from somebody. Manson didn't need friends, didn't need love, because he's self-contained. But most people aren't self-contained, so they look to money and outside approval.

C1: Caller talks about agreeing with most all of what Good is saying. He says he was in California during the 60's but thinks Good was "sucked into a bunch of lies." He says Good fails to call things a cult and to call things as they really were, and he tends to see Good as "blind."

A: You use the word "cult." Well, what is a cult? Isn't the Catholic church a cult?

C1: Well, yes. I happen to be a member of a Christian church. I happen to believe in Jesus Christ and the truth he proclaims...

A: So, do I.

C1: Pardon me?

A: So, do I. We all do.

C1: I'm really proud. I'm glad to hear you say that, but what I'm trying to say is that it sounds like Manson sucked a bunch of people in.

A: No, we sucked him in, if anything. We brought our problems to him.

C1: Tell me what the murders proved, what they really accomplished.

A: Well, there's a lot of different levels to answering that question. I can touch on a few. I remember in the penalty phase of the trial, one of the women that was convicted of murder said, "We are your children. We are reflections of your society. We have done what you raised us up to do. We've watched your violence on T.V. You've judged a reflection of yourselves." The murders were pretty much a good reflection of what this country teaches its young people to do. Now, you have mass murderers every day. There were actual motives, which is complicated to get into. One was to show where the country was headed. The Tate and LaBianca houses were sort of a portent of where the country was going if we don't stop pollution and if we don't start showing our children models of real morality. In other words, if you've got a government that lies and cheats the public out of their money and squanders the resources that we need to live, like our air and water and wildlife and trees, and they wheel and deal and play crook and they murder people in other countries to get their resources so we can have more oil and misuse the resources. When the children grow up seeing that there is no truth and no trust and no faith and no honor in the people that are running this country, what do you expect? So, we wanted to stop the war...

C1: I agree with all that, but weren't we anti-war in the 60's? Weren't we anti-killing? You're saying one thing and doing another.

A: Well, in order for there to be change, in order for any major change to occur in any society or system, there is always violence. Revolution implies radical change and people get killed...

A: Let me ask you something. What are you going to do when your air and your water runs out? In New York, I know what (then Governor) Cuomo and big industry is doing to your water.

C2: I respect life to the utmost as you obviously claim to...

A: Will you fight to save your own life in the air and water and the trees?

C2: I will do so, but not by taking another human life...

A: If it means your own survival?

Q: You might find it very useful to threaten other people. You might, if it comes to that, if we lose our air and water, we might, both of us, sendoff threatening letters to leading executives of business concerns...

A: I'd hope you'd do more than that. I'd hope you have the instinct for your own life and for your children's lives to do whatever it takes.

Q: I'll let it go at threats to do them bodily harm.

A: So, you'll just lay down and let big industry destroy your children's future. Is that what you're saying?

C2: I would feel that I was giving in, if I were to succumb to the pressures and take life in the name of, whatever.

A: Of air and water and trees and stopping an insane war (the Gulf War) to get more oil to save a way of life that destroys life?

C2: Do you still believe that we can achieve our ideals using the same means that the Manson Family used?

A: I'm saying that we're on the brink of a war to save, as (then President) Bush said, "a way of life." This "way of life" that Americans are living is destroying our air, our water, our land, and our wildlife. The oil consumption must stop. In this particular case right now, Hussein is saying, "Let's dialogue. Let's let the truth come out and let the people hear." The same thing happened during the Tate/LaBianca murders. If the truth of those murders had been allowed to be explained, and Manson had been given his rights and a voice in the courtroom, much of the calamity that this country's facing right now could have been averted.

Q: Savior to us all.

A: He's a very wise man.

Q: The female Manson Family associates have shown a propensity for violence, beyond the murders. Lynette Fromme tried to do in President Ford and I am accurate in saying that you were charged with, and convicted of, sending threatening letters to executives of business organizations?

A: Lynette pointed a gun, a loaded gun, at the president, but she failed to put a bullet in the chamber. She could've if she wanted to, but she didn't. She could have killed the president, but she chose not to. At the same time, I had 3000 letters to the heads of corporations and industries throughout the United States and some in Europe that are destroying the air, the water, the land, the wildlife. They weren't personal threats. They were simply saying what would happen if they continued to destroy what keeps people, what sustains life. They weren't on a personal level because there's no way that I could personally give these people the justice that they're calling for. As people start dying, as their air and water runs out, and their children are getting cancer, and they're getting cancer and things become intolerable in this country, people will awake to what has destroyed the economy and who has destroyed the ecology. People will lose their minds and do whatever they do. Madness is coming. I didn't personally threaten anybody. One of the radio interviews that I gave was to Hamilton, Ontario. I got five years for that inter- view. I've got the interview right here and there is no threatening words in this interview. I created fear in the corporate world because they don't want to be exposed. I was naming names, and they don't want people to know how they're destroying life on earth.

C3: I'd like to ask the young lady three questions. Do you believe that God created human life?

Q: Do you believe in God?

A: I like to use the word intelligence.

C3: Answer the question, yes or no.

A: I'd say all life is intelligence and you can call it God, yes.

C3: Do you believe that God created humankind, yes or no?

A: I'd say that all life is part of God, or you can call it intelligence. All life has intelligence, from the bugs to the trees to...

C3: You're beating around the bush. Yes, or no?

A: Well, what is "God?" "God" is a word. Are you talking about an anthropomorphic god, a big daddy in the sky?

C3: Okay, you won't answer the question. Second question, do you believe that murderers should be executed? Yes, or no? Should convicted murderers be executed, yes, or no?

A: I believe that if you're going to execute one murderer, you should execute all of them. And that's from the president of the United States, who sends millions of young men to kill and die in wars for big money.

THE INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE'S COURT OF RETRIBUTION

The International People's Court of Retribution is the name of an organization which was invoked by Sandra Good (Blue) in a series of warning letters addressed to corporate officials and radio interviews given in late 1975.

For exercising her First Amendment Constitutional right to free speech Blue was arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to fifteen years in the federal prison system.

SANDRA GOOD'S WARNING LETTERS TO CORPORATE EXECUTIVES

The following is a sampling of the thousands of warning letters which were prepared to be mailed to corporate executives at the time Sandra Good (Blue) was arrested in December, 1975. Since these letters were introduced as evidence at Blue's subsequent trial, they are a matter of public record. They are presented here for their historic significance.

From my computer mind I am sending fake breakers to watch you from eyes you know and you will be stood to account, so you and your wife best be right with the balance of the earth and that's no bullshit.
Silver Bullet, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull.

You clean up your diets and what you are feeding these patients now or you will be poisoned to death. And if blood and death does not impress you, no eyes, no nose, no lips, and ax of arms and legs. You scream after laughing at this you think an unreal joke until your blood drains and you see that you've been living off the blood and sickness of the poor. You maggots will clean up or be cleaned from the earth.

Any woman who cares more about what she looks like than the earth and the people around her will soon be subject to be treated as the earth has been treated. Steel tooth dogs will bring what you deserve for allowing the murder of our land, air, water, wildlife, and the children of the world. Bedrooms frozen as ice in your glass melts the lipstick melts the lips melts the face to a charred crisp concern for our world is your blood dripping unless you put all your money and energy into cleaning up the earth, and I mean now or test me and your night will be filled with sound.

Knowing the years of old time have set your mind, it may not seem easy to accept yet look you fact is big change is imperative for overall survival. To save earth and economy I felt the need to take very strong actions. Necessity dictates we stop the wheels of traditional industry and set in reverse. The working people should not be hurt by change. They should profit and be relieved by it. Feel your pulse. We do not need anymore steel. Your blood is necessary. We do not need more construction. The balance of earth is off. We do not need paper $ to fix it but a system based on what is necessary. New money system will be set. You will give up old system in exchange for your life. You may be willing to put your life and the lives of your family on the line for jobs that are unnecessary and harmful to life, and if you chose a self-destructive course, others will help you reach your goal to save the rest of us from the mad men and women even thinking of doing anything that pollutes or stands in the way of the balance of our earth. I have many children with knives who love the earth and want to live. I have passed an order to them that anyone responsible for murdering any part of our family of life on earth is subject to steel tooth death with no mercy.

International People's Court will soon be around you with quiet eyes for earth clean up. All wildlife is part of my family. All fish are given back to the Indian and new jobs for fishermen for the balance of earth. Thought was set in blood. Anyone caught fishing will be subject to decision of Crazy Horse from nut house, Sitting Bull, and others. Fishing sport has helped poison waters, sicken and imbalance ocean life. You need not eat fish to live. Commercial fishermen may be held to hooks scourge, mutilation and/or death. Company employees dealing in and processing dead fish will switch jobs to cleaning and keeping sewage out of the ocean, or other clean up job created by government money, or lose their lives, beginning with corporate heads. This will be considered an unreal joke until you find someone you love as much as I love my ocean and fish. Test me -- and the Indians in my grave will be in the night of your mind with what you deserve for murdering the air, water, land, and wildlife.
Manson

Any woman who cares more about her image, position, paycheck, or what she looks like than the earth around her will be treated like the earth has been treated. Slowly, slowly for each trapped animal ripped and broken crying as jobs for survival take the limbs from your body, leave the limbs on our trees. Chop the head from your body, leave the soul in our children. Steel tooth dogs will bring what what you deserve for allowing the murder of our land, air, water, wildlife and all the rest of your parts left dying. Yes yes yes you will be equal to the mess and misery you leave the world in. INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE'S COURT OF RETRIBUTION will give searing death to anyone who is not putting all money and mind into cleaning up this earth. Three liberated women in the California Institute for Women are the only ones not faking on this balance. Nine dead bodies and many children who love this earth will pick up knives and bring mama what she deserves. This earth is a reflection of the way woman feels about herself. Just as the men are sons and your parts for whom you have contempt and show hate. Go to the prison to see your strength or be struck down by the conflict of your misunderstanding like Sharon.

July 14, 1975. Jacque Cousteau and Society, your knowledge of the balance of the ocean and all the waters of earth and the people who abuse them gives you the right to kill. Because the right to kill what is killing our life would involve more bloodshed than we ourselves could perpetrate within a lifetime, you may use the name MANSON in any way that will move others to stop killing us. You may not realize the locks on the self-destructive minds of the world. If you, yourself, are putting money interests over the balance of earth, you will soon be held to face what you have done and mutilation is not bad in comparison to the deaths of thousands of creatures which will torment their killers forever and ever. Charles Manson is in San Quentin Prison, California, because he tells the truth. He is not known by the media, and all that has been written about him is lies and the reflection of a confused world amid nightmares of its own creations. Manson was raised outside society and has no thought in it. He did not chose his position, but he sees the simple truth and hear you this: Manson is the only one in the mind and of a mind to completely turn this world from its self-destructive thought. For most minds, death is the only thing that is real. No more leaders are needed. This world has had and killed enough gods. All servants to the earth.

Loving my own life as much as I do puts my survival above you in my mind. Each form of wildlife is a member of my family. Anyone who takes any part of my life lightly is insane. I have many sons and daughters with knives who love their earth. They are to use their minds and be a tricky as possible when having anything to do with killers. They are to see through the fear, that love is above and below and beyond all past words and fears. They are to to stand up and charge when they are outnumbered, nor are they to sit back and allow themselves to be crucified. Christ is coming off the cross. He gave all all all and can take the same from anyone who is not cleaning his earth.
Manson

Anyone who cuts redwoods or is associated with anyone cutting redwoods will be subject to a young man getting out of the nut house soon. His name is Crazy Horse, AKA Manson Jr. This will be considered an unreal joke until you find someone you love as much as I love each redwood as a member of my family. My woman is a redwood and if you don't want your friends cut down don't cut redwoods. Test me and the Indians in my grave will be in the night of your mind with what you deserve for murdering the trees and wildlife.

You put all your $ and mind into cleaning the earth or Christ will do to you what has been done to him. He gave all to save it and he can take the same. He has many children with knives who love themselves and earth and are tired of dying for your money. His will be done or your blood drips from the pulpit.

BLUE'S RADIO INTERVIEWS

The following four radio interviews were given by Blue between September and December 1975. These transcripts were entered as evidence at her trial and are a matter of public record. They are presented here for their historic significance.

Interview #1, with New Orleans, Louisianna

SANDRA GOOD - G
NORM SCHRODER - S
BOB RUBY - R

G: Hello.

S: Hello, is Sandra Good there?

G: This is she.

S: Sandra this is Norm Schroder in New Orleans again.

G: Um hum.

S: How are you today?

G: Fine.

S: Good. Ah, listen I'm going to put you on to Bob Ruby who's going to be doing the interview with you. Okay?

G: Ah yes.

S: Okay, hold on for a minute.

R: Sandra, Bob Ruby. Can you hear me clearly?

G: Yes.

R: Okay, ah, can we go ahead and start taping this?

G: Ah well first tell me how long it'll be.

R: Oh I don't know. What do you think, ten minutes?

G: Alright.

R: Okay, fine. We're taping this now.

G: No, just a minute.

R: Okay.

G: Don't tape.

R: No, alright.

G: Take it off. I have information on, ah, I don't know if you've heard of the International Peoples Court. Have you heard of it?

R: No.

G: I've spoken of it, it's a wave of assassins and, ah, I have information regarding people in New Orleans and the South. Does your radio station reach places like Texas?

R: Oh yeah, it's a 50,000 watt clear channel station.

G: So you pretty much cover the South.

R: Oh yeah, we get over into Houston.

G: Okay.

R: Ah, do you want to talk about it on the air?

G: Well if I make, if I can recall names that I've heard of that are targets for assassion, would that be a waste of time to, for me to give those names?

R: Well I don't know. It's up to you. You can say what you want.

G: Well, would you air it?

R: As far as I know we would.

G: You would.... would there be any laws preventing you from airing people's names?

R: Well if there were, we'd, we'd check them Sandra.

G: Yeah. Okay, if I can think of any names I'll just rattle them off.

R: Alright well, we'll get to that, okay?

G: Okay.

R: Can we start recording?

G: Alright.

R: Alright. On the other end of the line is Sandra Good, who is Lynette Fromme's roommate, has been for some time. How long have you and Lynette been roommates? How long were you roommates, Sandra?

G: Oh, just a minute, there's someone at my door.

R: Oh, alright.

G: Hey, click off, okay?

R: Okay.

G: (Answering door) Who's there? Who's there? (Sandra comes back to telephone).....Okay.

R: Okay Sandra, everything copacetic?

G Yeah.

R: Alright, let's start it again then if it's alright. I just gotta give a, an intro to this.

G: Okay, well there are a lot of people around and just things are going on so....

R: Oh I suppose.

G: I may have to interrupt.

R: Very well. On the other end of the line is Sandra Good, who has known Lynette Fromme for some time. They were roommates prior to Lyn Fromme's arrest for ah...

G: Hold again.

R: Alright.

G: Okay.

R: Okay?

G: Yeah.

R: Okay, you ready?

G: Uh huh.

R: Alright. On the other end of the line is Sandra Good a long time associate of Lynda [sic] Fromme who has been accused of attempted assassination of the President of the United States. Ah, Sandra Good was on television the other night. How long have you known Lyn Fromme? How long have you two girls been together, Sandra?

G: A long time.

R: Starting when?

G: I don't live in time.

R: Tell me about that.

G: I don't live in time. We've known each other for a long, long, long, time. Forever.

R: Forever?

G: Um hum.

R: You don't count time in terms of years?

G: No.

R: Okay. Do you remember when you first met ?

G: Ah, go on to another question.

R: Alright. You and and Lyn Fromme were together with Charles at one time. Is that true?

G: Um hum.

R Alright.

G: We've been together for a long time.

R- Can you tell me about those times?

G: No. I can tell you about what's coming, a little bit if you don't straighten up. I'll tell you about New Orleans, if that's where you're broadcasting from.

R: That's right.

G: There's people there and there's people all over this country that better start takings a good look at their country, and what they're doing to it. You have people in New Orleans, I believe a Floyd Lewis, William Baron in Georgia who's selling poison to the children in the form of foods. Ah, you have Gordon Ryan who is selling lies using the media. You have people who are ripping up the land. You have people that are killing wildlife. You have people that are playing around with nuclear materials. You have people that are poisoning the rivers, people that are poisoning the air. These people better stop now or their wives and themselves, primarily their wives, are targets for murder right now. Anybody who is wilfully harming the earth, its animals, its wildlife, anyone who is cutting down trees best stop now because they will be viciously, viciously murdered. Do you understand?

R: Could you say by whom?

G: By whom. There is a wave of assassins on the move. They are watching. They are everywhere and they are called the International People's Court of Retribution. Mr. Fred Kaiser of Atlanta, Ga., better stop right now what he's doing. Put all your money -- I'm talking to all of you ah, multimillionaires who are ripping up this earth and leaving nothing for your children to live in -- I'm telling you now you put all your money right now into cleaning up this earth right now. Richard Davis in Houston, Texas, natural gas company Westinghouse; Herbert Grey of Atlanta, Ga., we do not want nuclear power on this earth. We do not need nuclear power on this earth. It is dangerous and you know it. IT&T; executives -- you know what you've done and you know what you've got coming. You wives who put money and prestige and social position and what your face looks like, over the lives of your children and your earth. You know what you've got coming. Either leave the country or you put every penny you have into cleaning up what you've done. There's been too much blood spilled on this earth. Too many, too many people killed. Too many thousands and thousands of people killed so you all can have your money. Mobil Oil executives - you know who you are in Texas and Houston. You all know who you are, you know who's been cutting down the trees and killing the wildlife, and polluting the rivers and the oceans, poisoning the air. You stop now or you're gonna die. And that is just a warning, okay? Would you like to ask another question?

R: Alright. Are you involved at all in this or is this something you have knowledge of?

G: I have knowledge of many many things that you people are too smart or too smug or too judge... judgmental to listen to your children. If you start listening to your children, you might learn something You're too busy judging them and sending them off to psychiatrists rather than looking at yourselves as a world, looking at yourselves people, look at yourself. Don't put the blame somewhere else. Look at yourself.

R: Sandra, do you intend to participate in any of this?

G: In any of what?

R: What you just mentioned.

G: I'm watching you. Don't ask me stupid questions. I've got my eyes on all of you and there are thousands of people who have their eyes on you. There are many groups. The largest is the International People's Court. They'll look under every rock. You can't get away from them.

R: And who are....

G: They're in Belgium, they're in London......Go on to another question.

R: Alright, I was gonna ask you who are the International People's Court?

G: Well I 'm sure not gonna tell you each name.

R: Well no that isn't...

G: Your own children for one and there are other people. They're all races, all races of people who wish to live, who wish to see this earth cleaned up. Who wish to live under a blue sky that stretches from here to China -- in harmony. People who wish to clean, to stop this madness and live in harmony.

R: Alright. The names you named now, ah what do you want these people to do exactly? What do they have to do, in your opinion?

G: Stop hurting the earth. Stop killing the wildlife. Stop polluting. Stop any jobs that in any way harm the environment or its wildlife.

R: What would you have them do today, quit their jobs?

G: Right now there are alternatives to any jobs that pollute. Put all their energy, all their technology, all their money into new jobs that do not harm the environment. No more cutting trees for one. There are alternative fuels for cars. New engines can be built. For every destructive job there is an alternative. Any revolution should not hurt the working people. I'm talking about the executives. I'm talking about the Chairmen of the Board. They put all their money and technology and change what they're doing and they clean up what they have done. They can devise ways to go down into the ocean. They can get those oil slicks out of the ocean. They can clean up the rivers. They do everything they can and their wives quit their bridge club and they start gardens. Every wife start a large garden and start working like the people she's been making work.

R: You say the wives will be murdered?

G: The wives will get the worst of it.

R: Why?

G: Because they push their husbands to put money over her children's lives. She demands new coats, new prestige, she pushes her husband. She nags him, she controls him, she makes him her little boy. she manipulates him, she uses her body.

R: You say these people will be murdered. Now is this a threat from you or is this a threat you're, ah, you're relaying for the....

G: International People's Court. I hear things. I have knowledge of many things.

R: Is this a threat from Sandra Good?

G: This is a threat from the International People's Court of Retribution.... which is worldwide.

R: Are you a member of that court?

G: I have an ear of what they are doing.

R: Are you a member?

G: I said what I said. I hear what they are doing.

R: Alright. Is there anything we could talk about, ah, about Lynette Fromme?

(Good had explained to him about a gag order on the case.)

G: Sir, listen when I answer a question don't pump me for what you want to hear.

R: Alright...well

G: Do you hear me?

R: Alright. Tell me what you'd like to say.

G: Do you understand me?

R: I understand you.

G: Your life is on the line if you don't stop that BS.

R: Well, what would you like to say?

G: Alright you best let Manson out. Manson was judged in '69. He was convicted for Nixon's conspiracy. Nixon is walking free. Every law in the book was broken to put Manson where he is. He needs a new trial. He needs to present the case that he wasn't allowed to present because he didn't.... because he spoke the truth....

R: You feel....

G: The man does not lie.

R: You feel Charles Manson was innocent?

G: He does not lie.

R: And what is the truth?

G: Are you Innocent?

R: What is the truth in the Manson Case?

G: You ask him. You give him his voice if you all want to live. There's madness coming to your streets. When the economy has frozen, it has frozen, when the money won't spend because the nation of people have put their trust and faith in a system that is frozen, their faith in the money that won't spend,. there will be madness. Nobody in government postions is in a position to be able to fix it. They don't know what they're doing. They're confused. Everyone is confused. This country is going to need order put in it soon. And the Manson family can prevent much much killing. Much misdirected chaotic killing. We can prevent that if you'll give us the courtroom and let us put on the case, let the family put on the case that they were never allowed to put on in 1969.

R: Do you think....

G: Other lives depend on whether you allow Manson to have his voice. He doesn't want around us earth people. You know he personally would like to be away from this earth's madness but I know that he can fix it. I know he can put order into a country that needs order very badly. I know he can fix the economy.

R: Do you feel that Lynette Fromme got a fair hearing, a fair ah, a fair shake over the last few days?

G: I don't think anybody's setting a fair shake anymore. I don't think anybody is.

R: Do you feel that what she did was right?

G: Right, wrong...what is right and wrong? How do you judge right and wrong nowadays? Is Nixon right? Do we ah, do we let the Nixons of the world walk around free? Is that right? Do we let people lie to us and sell us poison using the media? Do we let people sell our children violence through the televisions to sell a product? Is that right? Is sending thousands of American boys over to Vietnam to be killed and to kill, is that right?

R: Which people in your view are not guilty?

G: Children, animals, the earth, a lot of little people, a lot of meek people, a lot of humble people, a lot of people who have done nothing but give all their lives. They've been down for a long long long time. They've been down since they crucified Christ. They've been down ever since. They've been trampled under your bloody feet.

R: You're angry.

G: Of course I'm angry . There's a lotta people angry. A lot of your children are mad. They can't stand your mad world. You, you robots who put money over their lives. You start looking at the sky your kids live under and the water they drink and where are all the animals to play with? Where are all the fields? Where are the long, long fields, you know, where your eyes can just stretch and see far, nothing but trees and grass and .... where is all that anymore? It's all paved over with concrete, and parking lots and your phony universities where people just read books and run in circles of confusion.

R: How would....

G: You need Manson, people. You people are mad.

R: How would the Manson people change the world if they were in control?

G: You ask them, you ask them. This world is living in a death thought. Look at your T.V. programs. What do you people love to watch every night, you know? Somebody miserable on the operating sable, somebody being shot at. You people are crazy. This is what you like. This is, this is what you really like, this is what you're gonna get. Those people who wish to live, to clean up the earth, the children know we need new thougnts to live in other than death and destruction and suffering.

R: And yet you're talking about murdering people.

G: This is what people seem to be asking for, by their self-destructive ways, by their murdering of the earth, by the murdering of their children's minds, by what they put into it, by the food that people sell.

R: Didn't.... you mentioned Jesus.

G: And William Baron, I'm telling you, you quit selling that poison. You know what you're doing.

R: Um hum.

G: He's in Rome, Ga. Uh Floyd Lewis - we don't need those thtngs, stop it. William Flowers - we don't need new development. You take all that concrete and all that garbage off the earth and you let the flowers grow. You give you some...your children something to play in other than concrete. You stop or get away. Get out of this country.

R: Sandra?

G: Hum.

R: You mentioned Jesus at one point in this conversation. Do you recall Jesus' words, let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

G: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Your children are casting stones. Your children are casting stones. Look at our eyes, look in Lyn's eyes. Take her picture. Pick the picture on Time magazine and look at her eyes. put it on your wall and look at the eyes. The eyes are the windows of the soul. Look at your children. Look at your children right there. That's all the love, that's all the love that you people have been murdering right there. That's your child and this is what you've been been driving them to. You've been pushing them to it. You've been pushing them to the nut houses, the prisons, the jails, to murder, to dope. The one thing I'd like to say is we, Manson family, do not drink and we don't take drugs. We wear red robes now, we're nuns. The red robe is the symbol of Christ, the lamb. It means that Manson gave his head underground for a new start...a new start for all and to prevent a race war and to free a people and give them their rightful place. I want to read that again. The red robe which we are now wearing all of us women are wearing red robes, it's the symbol of Christ the Lamb. It means Manson gave his head underground for a new start for all and to prevent a race war and to free a people and give them their rightful place.

R: Has...

G: Alright?

R: Has the International People's Tribunal set any time limit, any....

G: I said International People's Court of Retribution.

R: Okay.

G: If you continue to distort words, media people, and to insert your own thought over the thoughts that are given to you by the people, you too are in trouble. Do not distort words. Do not interject your own opinions, because you're wrong.

R: Alright.

G: You don't know what you're doing. You're you're digging for a story. Listen to what I'm saying and you say it as I say it without your own interjections. Do not splice this tape to suit your own sensational fantasies.

R: No it won't be spliced.

G: You understand me?

R: Yes, but may I ask you one thing? Has a deadline been set for any of the things you've mentioned?

G: Deadline?. Ah people are watching. They'll move when they see fit to move. Each person who has been abusing the earth, the animals, the waters, their children... they know who they are, they know what they've got coming, they know why...ah, you IT&T; executives, you know why you drink too much. You Westinghouse, General Electric executives, Exxon, you all know why you can't face each other without a stiff drink. Your guilt for what you've done is tremendous. I see you and your children see you and what you do, you miserable maggots You stop killing this earth. You stop now. You use all your brain power and your money into cleaning up what you've done. Alright?

R: You feel that the Manson family is without guilt.

G: We have a very, we have....we've taken on a lot of your guilt. We've taken on all your problems. As a family, we've picked up all of your problems, all of your children' s problems. We are the children and we've picked up a lot of your problems. We're reflections of, um, we're your kids. We're a reflection of your whole world.

R: How long to you intend....

G: We've given our lives, we've given our whole lives for your world. I don't have any guilt. Lyn's clean, the family's clean. We're clean. Look at our eyes.

R: How long to you intend to keep this going?

G: Keep it going?

R: Yes.

G: The country needs to change, Mister. You need to be willing to change. Things.... there is a solution for every problem. This country has manifold problems. Madness is coming. I love the earth and I love the children and I love the animals and I love the working people of this country. I do and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna abandon anybody and my family in prison. I 'm not, I'm not leaving, anybody. I'm not leaving the earth for your bloodthirsty money-miinded robot minds to tear up. No, there's too many people who love this earth. Too many people who love it and won't.... and won't... and there's other things moving of a cosmic nature. There are many things in what you don't know rather than what you think you know that are moving. Many many cosmic things are afoot. Many thoughts have been set on earth and, ah

R: By whom?

G: It's a matter of time, it's a matter of cleaning up. It's a matter of balance. It's a matter of truth over lie. The lie will die, the lie has to die. All your lies... people have been forced to live in a lie.... you watch your TV and you tell me how much love, how much truth, how much honor, how much worship is in you television, your television programs.

R: Do you feel....

G: How much honesty is in the advertising? How much honesty and integrity are in your government leaders? How many public servants do you have? Where are your public servants? Most of them are in prison. They're little people. They've been serving you too long, too long, they're tired of you. They're sick of you, sick to death of you, and your murderous ways. Your love of money, and social prestige and makeup and -- woman.... I'll tell you who's gonna be the most viciously slaughtered, is women. Look at how she's selling her body. Look at the Cosmopolitan magazines. Does that woman show love of children or her earth, her animals? Unh uh. She's showing her body to sell some makeup. She's become a bitch and then she wonders why she's gonna get beaten up and raped. She's been asking for it. Yeah, those women that work at Cosmopolitan better clean that magazine up, make it a nature magazine. Start showing women cleaning up the earth, planting gardens. Not woman selling her body. and clothes and makeup and change (unintelligible).... those women at Cosmopolitan to clean themselves up or they're gonna be cleaned up with knives, with acid in their faces.

R: Is there anything else you'd like to add to that?

G: No, just give your world to the kids and recognize a servant. Manson is a servant, Manson is a servant. You better hope that he'll help you with your problems. He wants away from your world's madness, but only he can fix it. And I don't know if he will. I don't know if he'll do it after what you all have done to him. What we all have done to him, and l include myself. What we have done to him for this long. I don't know if he'll help us out of the mess that we've put ourselves in as a people, as a nation, as a race, as a world. You've got a whole world at each other's throat. You don't even have people in the same family who can live in harmony anymore in the United States. You, your country's a mess, it's a big, big, big mess and it's going to get worse and you're gonna need some help and you better pray that you're gonna get it but you gotta work for it. You gotta be willing to change. You've got to change and you've got to recognize the last family that has given their lives to show you yourselves, to have you take a good look at yourselves and what you' re doing to your children, what you're pushing them to. That's about all I have to say.

R: One last thing. Are you willing to give your own life?

G: That's all I have to say.

R: Okay Sandra.

G: Uh huh. Bye bye.

R: Good bye.

Female: Hello.

Male: Hello, who am I speaking with?

F: Who is this?

M: This is Denny Bixler of WVAM Radio in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

F: Pennsylvania, just a moment.

G: Hello.

B: Yes, who am I speaking with, please?

G: Sandy Good.

B: Sandy, this is Denny Bixler, WVAM Radio in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

G: Uh-huh.

B: How are you doing?

G: Alright.

B: Was wondering whether you would participate in a talk show today on our station. I'll be doing it.

G: What? Do you have a telephone?

B: Yes, uh-huh.

G: Uh, what time?

B: Well, let's see here, right now it's, what, about 12 noon your time. It's, uh, let's see, 3 hours behind, it'd be two o'clock your time.

G: Hold on a minute.

B: Sure.

G: Would you call back in about half an hour?

B: Yes, uh, well, can I talk to you now and then call back in half an hour?

G: Okay, bye.

B: Okay, fine.

(phone hung up)

G: Hello?

B: Sandy?

G: Yes.

B: Uh, this is Denny again. Did you hang up? I wasn't sure I understood. I asked could I talk to you for a moment now and then I'd call you back in a half an hour. It was not for you to decide whether you could do the show or not.

G: Oh, I.... I think yes.

B: Oh, well can I interview you now? In case for some reason we couldn't make the connection for my five o'clock show?

G: What did you want to know about?

B: Well, I wanna talk to you casually, I'm not even gonna put you on the spot.

G: See, I'm very busy, so....

B: Well, fine. I take it you've seen the latest editions of Time magazine?

G: Uh-huh.

B: Well, Altoona, Pennsylvania, we cover central Pennsylvania and, uh, from knowing Lynette as being close friends, and I thought possibly you could just from your viewpoint tell us about, uh, how you view things right now. I don't want to get into the legalities of, uh, with the plea today of not guilty, but....

G: She didn't plea today.

B: I have a news story here that says that a federal judge in Sacramento said today she is not guilty, she says she was not guilty of charges to attempt to assassinate the president.

G: Oh, basically today's hearing was, uh, whether she would be allowed to go pro per, to be her own attorney. She wishes to represent herself. And this has been the main part of today's hearing. She wishes to be her own attorney.

B: I see. So that's what happened. And what did the judge decide?

G: He put it over for another day to give her time to brush up on the basic quetions that she'll have to, the area of law that she'll have to be familiar with. It's a court formality that a person who wants to represent themselves has to show competency, and she will be reading several, uh, points of law and later present her knowledge of those points of law.

B: I see. What did you think of the September 15 Time magazine? Was it basically accurate, or did you....

G: Time and Newsweek have grossly distorted many things, I'd say most things. Their information was false. It's coming from the District Attorneys from 1969, their quotations are not quotations, they're distortions, or they're made up, they're way, way off.

B: Well, the September 22 Time said that in speaking, in speaking of you, you spoke to a reporter in New Orleans.

G: Uh-huh.

B: And indicated that there were many businessmen that were targeted.

G: Yes, I have a list of Pennsylvania people if you'd like to take it down.

B: Yes, sure, go ahead. You, you said were targeted for assassination.

G: Right. Just a moment (talks to someone in background). Why don't you call me back in half an hour, Okay?

B: Well, fine. Uh, what I'm afraid of is how bothered are you by reporters?

G: Pretty much. Just call back in a half hour, Okay?

B: Fine. I'll do that.

G: Okay, bye.

B: Thank you.

Another call -

Female: Hello.

Male: Uh, Sandra Good please.

G: Yes.

B: Denny Bixler returning the call from Altoona, Pennsylvania.

G: Alright.

B: Is this Sandra?

G: Yes.

B: Okay, I may be a little earlier than you had hoped. Do you have that list of Pennsylvanians?

G: Uh-huh.

B: Okay, let's start from the top then. Sandra, you said that the September 15 and September 22 Time magazines were inaccurate. Can you explain why they were inaccurate?

G: Well, it's pretty, uh, typical of the new media, they distort. Could you hang on for a moment?

B: Sure. (pause)

G: Alright, now where specifically were you referring to in the magazine?

B: Well, first of all, you're a friend and roommate of Lynette Fromme.

G: Yes.

B: And your name is Sandra Good, you live in Sacramento, and I'm discussing the September 22nd, and the Time magazine prior to that, the September 15th.

G: Right.

B: And it quotes the, what they refer to as the Manson Family.... First of all, is there any such thing as the Manson Family?

G: Well, first off, the magazines and the newspapers have for a long time been deriving their information from the District Attorney's office , various policemen, detectives, and, uh, Mr. Bugliosi, who has been using his book as a political platform and to make money. The papers.... Just a moment please. The media has always distorted our words and invented things about us that aren't true. For instance....

B: Well now, well, go ahead.

G: For instance we do not use, nor have we ever used, hard drugs. The only "drugs" that we've ever used are marijuana and LSD, very moderately. So you have a lot of reports that we are drug-crazed, this type of thing, deranged.

B: Well, then....

G: All those things. Pardon me.

B: Okay, then, let me quote from the recent Time magazine, you talked to a reporter in New Orleans and said that half a dozen businessmen in the South were targeted for assassination.

G: That was....

B: Because of their involvement with corporations that are polluting the environment.

G: I want to read you a state.... I'll read you a statement from the International People's Court of Retribution that I gave to the south, the Atlanta, Georgia station that was very much an understatement. There are many, many more. And I'll read you the statement from the International People's Court.

B: What is the International People's Court and you said you had a list of Pennsylvanians; do they also fall into this category?

G: Yes. The International People's Court is a wave of assassins of some 2,000 people throughout the world who love the earth, the working people, the children, and their own lives. They have been silently watching executives and chairmen of the boards and their wives, of companies and industries, that in any way harm the air, the water, the earth, and the wildlife of the world. Any woman who puts money, social position, and her looks, based on television and magazine images, over the well-being of the earth and children, is subject to being treated as she has allowed the earth to be treated. Any woman who uses her body to control, or to sell products harmful to the people and the environment, will be viciously maimed. Anyone who advertises or manufactures food or drugs injurious to the people's health will be killed. Media executives and their wives who allow the flow of distorted sex and violence through the media into the minds of millions of people will be subject to the violence they have been selling to the people in the form of entertainment. New jobs must be given to people of the United States that serve and heal the earth rather than destroy it. Executives, put all your money and technological know-how into cleaning up what you have destroyed. Your time is running out. Environmental groups and wildlife protection groups will be held to account to the International People's Court for all they say they are doing for the earth and wildlife. There are fake breakers watching you. The air, the water, the trees, and the wildlife are parts of the Manson Family. The International People's Court holds day court and night court.

B: Well, I'm, uh, I'm of the belief that now that the leader, who, is Lynette Fromme the leader of your organization?

G: No.

B: Well, the media now reports that you are the leader. Are you part of the Court as it were, would you participate?

G: International People's Court is filing writ, to hold the media accountable for all the lies they have been putting on the Manson Family.

B: Well, let's get the assassination aspect of Pennsylvania. You said you had a list.

G: Alright, alright.

B: Uh....

G: W. Weed, Atlantic Richfield, 220 Sykes Lane, Wallford, Pennsylvania. Paul A. McKim, I believe, Atlantic Richfield, Morris Avenue, Brin Mar, Pennsylvania. Uh, there are many more. I could go on and on and on.

B: Well, in, give me your Pennsylvania list if you have it there, go ahead.

G: This is just from memory of the information I've received. There are, anyone, anyone who in any way is threatening the wildlife, the earth, the air, and the water, is being watched.

B: Well how many members does you organization claim to have?

G: Oh, approx -- it's not my organization, it's people who are concerned about the well-being of the people of the United States and the world. If there is pollution, nuclear power plants, the peoples' lives are endangered.

B: Was the efforts of your roommate Lynette Fromme to, uh, to cause attention by pointing the gun at the president, was it to cause attention, and get media coverage, or did she actually forget to pull the slide on the .45? Or did she intend to assassinate the president?

G: I'm not going to discuss the case. I will continue with the list. Paul K. Kundley (phonetic), Atlantic Richfield, William Shoop (phonetic), Kaiser, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Kenneth Waterman, I think it's Watsman, chemical executive, uh....

B: I take it, then, this is not from memory now, you do have a list in front of you now?

G: Um, some of this is from memory and some of this I've jotted down from memory. Harold Hammer (phonetic), Gulf Oil, Edgar Spear, Gulf Oil, Louis M Foid (phonetic), Bethlehem Steel, Maurice Goddard (phonetic), uh, from the Environmental Protection Agency. He is not protecting, he is serving the interests of the, um, people that he is supposed to regulate. He's a fake. Walter Lyons, he is in charge of water quality for the Environmental Protection Agency. He is doing nothing for water quality other than protecting the people who are harming the waters. Arthur Leighman, anyone who cuts down trees, anyone involved in lumbering. Paul Clay Baldwin, Scott Paper, George Chamberlain, D. Dickey, Richart Ding, um Dingfolder, Arthur Haig (phonetic), or Huag, um, James Madden. These are, these are executives of Scott Paper Company.

B: Well, Sandra, you, you've shocked my with the names, many of these people I, I know of in the state. How many states....

G: Oh, I've got more. Anyone involved in nuclear power, nuclear power plants are harmful to people, um, this has been presented in various....

B: Well, when is, when are these assassinations....

G: Let me finish. Please don't interrupt, let me finish. William Shoop....

B: Is there a date where these, these events are going to start taking place?

G: These people have a chance to stop, they have a chance to clean up what they've done, uh, Andrew M. Kennedy Jr. with Westinghouse, no more nuclear plants, no more pollution, Robert E. Kirby, Edward H. Sein, Peter Sols, Carol, uh, Roseberry (phonetic), anyone involved in these industries or companies that in any way are posing a threat to the people of the United States, are being watched, they have an opportunity to stop polluting, or they will be killed, their time is running out. There is no specific date. They know these people who are harming our way of life, the earth, the water, the trees.

B: Sandra Good, friend of Lynette Fromme, are you dangerous? In the Time magazine it says pervasive violence terrifies those who even minimally contacted the Family. After conducting a few interviews, at least one journalist has simply given up writing about the group out of cold fear. Uh, do you, is that accurate?

G: I'll tell you, your children are waking up, all your children are waking up to the kind of world that you're giving them. They see what's being presented on TV....

B: Well, can you answer the question about, uh, is it dangerous to talk with you and your friends?

G: You ask your children what they think of the world that you're giving them. You are in danger, you are in danger by your own acts, by your own lies, by your own unwillingness to face your own problems and the problems of this country. Your own willful ignorance makes you dangerous to yourselves. There are people who want to....

B: Well, Sandra, I understand, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you intend to do, and I think that....

G: Not I. There are 2,000 people, approximately, watching.

B: Well, you wouldn't have had this platform had Lynette Fromme not pointed a gun at the president of the United States, now you've got major coverage in all the media, you've got news media calling, and I'm asking you whether you as an individual, as part of the Manson Family, are you dangerous? Is it dangerous for media to go against the Family?

G: If you lie and you continue to distort words and you continue to hold down simple child-like truths about yourself and about your world, about your environment, if you continue to do this, and interject our own opinions, you own fantasies, you're in trouble....

B: In the, uh....

G: You will be stood to account in the International Peoples Court.

B: In the September 22 Time they have your age as 31, however in the picture in the September 15th, which you're pictured with Lynette, you look younger. How old is that picture?

G: Um, possibly a year old.

B: Okay. So you're target practicing in the, uh, September 22nd, why were you target practicing? Do you, do you fire guns frequently?

G: No, I won't be baited by your question.

B: Well, then....

G: Your questions really are indicative of your unwillingness to face what's coming on you, unless you clean up. You best look at your world, you best look at your children, and listen to them.

B: Well, uh, Sandra, you, you've made your point of what you intend to do, you have a platform....

G: Did I say what I intended to do?

B: Well, there's an assassination plan for all these people that you've read unless they abate what you consider pollution.

G: I said....

B: You wouldn't be getting this coverage....

G: 2,000 people, now I'm not going to say "I", I'm saying you're being watched by 2,000 people.

B: Well, you have the state of Pennsylvania, I called you a half hour ago and you read to me names of people I know in the state of Pennsylvania.

G: Uh-huh.

B: That would tend to say to me that you've got other states there, how many states do you have represented?

G: All of them. How are the, how are the rivers in Pennsylvania? What is the state of air pollution in Pennsylvania?

B: Lake Erie was considered a dead lake. We have now saved Lake Erie.

G: Who made it a dead lake?

B: Well, it's not, the fact is it's back again.

G: Oh is it? Can your children swim in it?

B: Yes, they can.

G: They can swim in it?

B: Yes.

G: But can you drink it?

B: Yes.

G: You can drink the water?

B: Well, you can't turn a lake around in a generation, but they've done that. I don't wanna fight about Lake Erie, but I think assassinating human lives is a bit drastic.

G: How is the sky there? Is it blue?

B: Well, the point is, uh....

G: Is the sky blue?

B: Are you going to take the life of an individual who runs a corporation and deprive the family of a breadwinner and a father because he's in a corporation?

G: This, these people are killing the air, they're killing the earth, they're killing trees, they're killing wildlife. I'm not saying I'm going to take their lives, you're saying that. I'm saying there are 2,000 people watching you, uh, there's no justification for polluting the air, there's none. There's no justification for aerosol, and aerosol products that deplete the O-zone, there's no justification for nuclear plants that are extremely hazardous.

B: You realize I'll come under fire legally for giving you this amount of time to use this as a platform. I called you and I....

G: You told me....

B: And I, I appreciate the fact that you've talked with me, but at the same time I didn't intend to bait you, but I can read in these national magazines things that you say that the Family, the Manson Family, you and your friends are dangerous, but then you say you won't do any of this yourself, I'm asking you, are these magazine stories correct? I've talked to reporters that said they're afraid to talk to you anymore, is that accurate?

G: If they're lying, if they're lying and distorting, they should be afraid.

B: Afraid of being assassinated?

G: People are tired of lies. People are tired of lies. Nothing that you read, I think very little of what you read presents things as they are. Every word that is written is subject to the....

B: When was the last time you talked to Lynette?

G: Um, yesterday.

B: Can you tell me what the conversation was about?

G: That's none of your business, really.

B: Can you tell me any part of it?

G: No.

B: Did she ask you how the campaign is going? How your fight against pollution was going?

G: She's concerned for your children. She's concerned what kind of world they have to live in.

B: Out of concern for my children she'd have me shot if I was polluting, is that right?

G: She? 2,000 people? 2,000 people? What are you giving your children to live for? What do they see on television every night? Where do they have to play? Do they get to play? Do they have plenty of grass? And trees, to play with, to play on?

B: You've completely baffled my ability to ask you any additional questions except to find, uh, that you're using this in an effort to talk about ecology.

G: It's a very important problem.

B: Do you want to talk to the people of Altoona, if so I can call you and we can take the phone calls in about two hours. Would that be possible? And I would tie you into people who would be calling from around the district, I would play our conversation that I just had with you.

G: The entire conversation?

B: Yes.

G: The entire?

B: Yes.

G: No deletions?

B: No.

G: No splicing?

B: No, I won't change a thing. From the time you said Hello and I established who you were. And then at the last half, if I can call you, I'll take phone calls and we'll, I'll see what the people have to ask you.

G: Okay, just another thing. On the Environmental Protection Agency, they just passed a new law allowing the use of cyanide guns to kill coyotes here in California. There's no excuse for that. They are killing the burros for dog food; they're killing practically all the wildlife....

B: Well....

G: There's no excuse for that. This must be stopped, and it will be stopped.

B: Well what if I call you back? Would it be possible to tie you into the lines and see if we can take calls from listeners?

G: Okay, you can try if I'm still here.

B: Thank you for talking with us.

G: Alright. Bye.

B: Goodbye.

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BB: In just a moment I'll be talking to SANDRA GOOD, whom Time magazine. describes as the leader of the CHARLES MANSON Family. She apparently moved into this position when it was vacated by LYNETTE "SOUEAKY" FROMME after her alleged attempt on the life of President GERALD FORD. I have no Idea how SANDRA GOOD will respond to my questions or this type of show. It could be that at some points she'll become annoyed and hang up. When I first called her I facetiously, in my BOB BRITINA good humor, said, "Well SANDRA, I hope I'm not keeping you from target practice," and in a very cold voice she said; "How would you like to be the next target?" So, my role now is to try to, perhaps, unlock some of the secrets in the mind of a 31-year-old woman who has publicized a list of persons to be assassinated for their complicity in the destruction of the environment and perhaps we'll also get some insight into the nature of CHARLES MANSON and his so-called Family. So, we'll call SANDRA GOOD in just a moment after we do these messages.

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BB: With me now in Sacramento California, is SANDRA GOOD, who has been described in Time magazine as the leader of the MANSON Family, and SANDRA I don't know what the MANSON Family is, I don't know why you are a leader, or where all this information comes from, but I know that when we talked earlier you stressed environmental problems and so I wonder if you could comment as to whether there is anything in particular that Canadians should be aware of in your terms and the terms that you have been actively involved in.

SG: Well, first of all the information that you read in Time and Newsweek in the media is usually a product of a lot of people's imaginations and also their knowing of what sells in magazines and newspapers.

BB: Yes.

SG: And so you can discount about 80 per cent of what you read about us.

BB: Uh huh.

SG: Um, is this, re.... being taped?

BB: No, I, not by me SANDRA. Now if the FBI's on the line in Sacramento....

SG: Oh, well they, I know they are for sure, but, um, you asked about environmental questions.

BB: Yes.

SG: I call them questions of life.

BB: Yes.

SG: And, and what's being done about them. And in Canada I've long been aware of the fact that there are people up there, they are killing Harp Seals off the coast of Nova Scotia, and in the United States we see pictures of them in the paper and, asking for contributions and asking for people to write letters to their congressmen. Also, people from prisons have cut out those pictures of the seals and sent them to me and, you know, asking us to help, but the thing is that's been going on for a long time. What are those environmental groups doing about the seals? They could stop it. I am sure there's enough people up there in Canada who, if they are sincerely concerned about those little seals, they could stop it. The International People's Court, among many other things which I will later tell you about, is going to hold all the environmental groups to account to the International People's Court for what they say they are doing for the earth and wildlife. There're fake breakers watching them. There's a Canadian Council on Animal Care. Those people get on your jobs and do everything in your powers to stop the mistreatment or the killing of those seals. There's a Canadian Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals that's in Montreal.

BB: Yes, it's, it's across the country. We have branches here and so on. We, we're all aware of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, SANDRA.

SG: Right, there's Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, that's a university.

BB: The University of Guelph, yes, which is Canada's most famous ah, veterinary college and it deals in things that do with animals.

SG: O.K., well, rather than poke needles in them and dissect them and study them, there is a Professor TERHOON there - JAMES TERHOON, I don't know how to pronounce the name but, ah, he professes to be interested in the seals. Well, if you love an animal, you don't just put it in a laboratory and use test tubes and things. If you love the animal, you go out and you preserve its life. A lot of these environmental groups think that if you hire a staff of scientists to study more humane ways of killing an animal, or the fact that they are becoming extinct, or how endangered they really are, they think that is helping the animal. All it is running in book confusion. There's a, uh, DEAN RONALD, DEAN K. RONALD, he'd better get on his job, he's being watched. Uh, the Department of Fisheries and Marine Services Protection Branch...

BB: Yes.

SG: Sidney, Nova Scotia . . .

BB: Yes.

SG: They'd better do all in their power to, uh, preserve all life in the sea. Not only the seals, but all the, the sea life.

BB: SANDRA....

SG: Because of commercial fishery, fishing, a lot of the life is endangered. The Minister of Fisheries is in trouble. Anyway, I could go on and on. I've got names of people that are faking, faking concern or actually contributing to the harming of the seals and other sea life.

BB: (unintelligible)

SG: Here's what's happened. Like, there is a company up in Nova Scotia, I can't remember the name of it, but it's a great big fishing company and they make fish sticks, you know, frozen fish sticks, and, in fact now they're taking the food out of the food. This is generally speaking about food companies. They're so processed and there are so many chemical additives added that you're not even eating food. Now as far as fishing goes, they have abused the, the art of fishing. In other words, they have taken too much and put not enough back. They have been taking for money. When money becomes the rule, rather than just sustenance, basic survival, than you have an unbalance and we are at a point -- If, if you could read a little bit of JACOUES COUSTEAU, like two pages of what that old man writes, or his son, you would see what danger the ocean is in due to abuse of fishing and, and, also the pollution; many, many things. So, I'm saying the International Peoples Court is warning commercial fishermen to stop, right now, and let that ocean replenish itself. Give the ocean life a break, or you will be broken. I'm speaking of the commercial fishermen, and those harp sealers will have done to them by the International Peoples Court of Retribution, what they have done to those seals. They will be bludgeoned to death, just as they have bludgeoned those baby seals for decades, even longer. How many, is it centuries?

BB: Perhaps, uh, I would think 150 to 200 years or more, or maybe a little bit longer than that.

SG: And now the ladies that wear those coats, how can they, you know, they have coming to them, also, what they have allowed to happen to those seals. It's generally the women that, uh, perpetuate and promote this type of activity for her desires, her desires to outshine the other woman. Do you know what I mean? To be prettier than, and if she thinks that a fur coat, makes her better than somebody else, as it stands now, that fur coat only marks her for death.

BB: SANDRA, are...

SG: Our re -- Would you excuse me. Uh, would you like me to read you the general statement of the International People's Court of Retribution?

BB: Yes. First of all, SANDRA, could you define that for us, what the International People's Court of Retribution is?

SG: Yes. Uh, the International People's Court of Retribution is a wave Of assassins, of some 2,000 people throughout the world, who love the earth, the working people, the children, and their own lives. The People's Court started in the 50's in several of the penitentiaries, the federal penitentiaries in the United States, namely McNeil Island and Terminal Island, and one is in Washington State and the other is in California.

BB: Yes.

SG: Uh, it has grown, during the Cuban crisis it spread to Mexico and Florida. And then during, I believe it was the 60's, when there were major environmental things that were undeniably, uh, killing, actually killing people, like the inverse weather condition they had in New York City where, if, many hundreds of people came down ill and so... and many died because of the pollutions in the air not being carried off into the upper atmosphere as they generally are...

BB: Yes.

SG: ...but not to great enough extent, now. Anyway, they have been silently watching executives and chairmans of the boards and their wives of companies and industries, that in, in anyway harm the earth, the air, the water and the wildlife of the world. Also anyone involved in Exxon. That harms, that harms just about everything, but I believe you've got Exxon people there.

BB: Uh huh.

SG: ITT, any lumber company, Weyerhaueser, uh, Louisiana Pacific, Georgia Pacific, uh, the International People's Court says no more cutting down trees. It's like cutting your own life off. Um, any woman who puts money, social position and her looks based on television and magazine images over the well-being of the earth and the children is subject to being treated as she has allowed the earth to be treated. Any woman who uses her body to control or to sell products harmful to the people and the environment will be viciously maimed. Anyone who advertises or manufactures foods or drugs injurious to the people's health will be killed. Media executives and their wives who allow the flow of distorted sex and violence through the media into the minds of millions of people will be subject to the violence they have been selling to the people in the form of entertainment. In other words, uh, that, that should be self explanatory.

BB: Uh huh.

SG: You turn on your TV in this country and the people get a steady diet of, of suffering, of misery and distorted sex and violence, every night. And the kids are all soaking this up. And the kids are starting to reflect it right back. Whatever is put into a child's mind is what he will reflect back....

BB: Is, is it not a contradiction that you are on a medium of radio and mentioning violent acts. Is that not a contradiction of what you just said, SANDRA?

SG: Right. In other words, this, the Peoples Court feels that necessity dictates policy. Uh, I'll finish the statement.

BB: Yes, go ahead.

SG: I'll answer your question first. Uh, when you feed the people a steady diet, when the media feeds the people a steady diet through the television and the radio and the magazines of distorted sex and violence, this affects everybody, especially the children. And this is done for the sake of money, not for cleaning up, not for preventing it, it's done to sell things to make a few people rich. All right, new jobs must be given the people of the United States that serve and heal the earth, rather than further destroy it. Now, they also maintain that new jobs must be given the people of the world that serve and heal the earth, rather than further destroy it. Executives, put all your money and technological know-how into cleaning up what you have destroyed. Your time is running out and also environmental groups and wildlife protection groups will be held to account to the International People's Court for all they say they are doing for the earth and wildlife. There are fake breakers watching you. The air, the water, the trees and the wildlife are part of the MANSON Family. Also, MANSON does not want nuclear power on this earth and the IPCR, the International People's Court of Retribution, holds day court and night court. Uh, Exxon, do you have much Exxon activity there?

BB: Yes, it, Exxon is just as familiar to Canadians as it is to Americans.

SG: Well, in the United States we have several major networks, NBC, CBS and ABC, and on the NBC nightly news broadcast Exxon takes up a good ten minutes of advertising themselves and trying to justify that they are doing. And they have this beautiful music in the background and what they're doing is just ravaging the land and this is not necessary. There are alternatives to the energy problem. There is such a thing as solar energy which is not being looked into, because the money interests are preventing any funding of the people who would wish to promote any further research into solar energy. There's hydroelectricity. There are many natural alternatives that don't hurt the earth that are more effective than what the big big money interests are proposing, and they are just absolutely ravaging the land and destroying wildlife. They're polluting the air. They're polluting the waters. But you don't see this on TV because they very carefully cover all that up with their, uh, how they're doing like in Alaska, they're doing archeological studies. They're digging up artifacts. Well, big deal. you know, we're all going to be an artifact very soon. You know, if we don't stop destroying ourselves as a world.

BB: SANDRA, much of what you say is completely acceptable to many people. However, oh, you have mentioned the International People's Court and, and rather extreme steps against certain members of what you might call the establishment. And this is where....

SG: Let me clarify that. No working people. No children will be hurt. The People's Court is directing their activities towards those who in any way -- its executives and chairmans of boards, those people who in anyway are harming the air, the water, the trees, the land, you know, like, strip mining, or Exxon-type activities, and the wildlife. Now these people are destroying our lives, your life, The media, the media executives who are selling, perpetuating lies and madness and violent death, these people are also subject to be murdered.

BB: Well, I'd like to take just a brief intermission here, SANDRA, and then we'll be right back

SG: All right.

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BB: SANDRA GOOD is with me, uh, in California. SANDRA will be taking a break because she has a phone call to make and then rejoining us in a few minutes. Uh, SANDRA, are there some other items that you want to cover?

SG: Uh....

BB: You mentioned something about Vancouver, and you were talking about upstate New York and are there some environmental problems in these areas that, uh, you're aware of?

SG: You would know that more than I do. In other words, the International People's Court is aware of every executive in Canada who is involved in activities or involved in industries that are hurting the earth....

BB: Well, how do you know about Canada? I've never met anyone who remotely is associated with your, your people in California....

SG: Well, it, this, young people, a lot of young people are very sensitive to the earth here and many have just simply fled the United States and talked about how beautiful Canada is. They've gone to Canada, but they have come back and they've said that there are parking lots and they've mentioned lumber companies and Exxon and other things that the International People's Court does have a file on all these Companies and they have been watching the women, the wives of these executives, and they know when they keep their social engagements, where they play bridge, or whatever Canadian, upper middle class or upper class social activities are. They know what they are and they know where these women are going. There's an ARTHUR ARMSTRONG of Scott Paper Company. Uh, he's involved of course in cutting down trees. He's in West Vancouver. Uh, there are the people I mentioned involved in the harp seals, the arctic biological station, the M.A. Big (phonetic) in Quebec. A doctor KEITH RONALD in Guelph, Ontario. Uh, he deals with animals. He's not doing anything to preserve the life of the animals. He's living in laboratories and doing nothing. Uh, there's a New Foundland research station, there's uh, oh there's many of those things. In New York, upstate New York, there's a JOHN BUMPSTEAD, Director of Bureau of Public Water Supply, he's with the Environmental Protection Agency, which does not protect the environment at all. He's in Albany, New York. The United States EPA was set up by Nixon and while they're under the guise of environmental protection, rather than protect, they support the industries that pollute. They use every loophole to make sure that companies really don't have to account or pay any fines, and they slide by and the companies continue to carry on their murderous activities, so he is targeted. John BUMPSTEAD. There's a WILLIAM G. BENTLEY. He's the assistant director, Division of Solid Waste Management, and this is - in this United States here, there are tons of solid waste being dumped into our rivers. There is no effective way of dealing with human waste and it's just going right into our rivers and oceans.

BB: And what does the International People's Court propose to do regarding these matters?

SG: They will assassinate all those people who are responsible for the pollution and also the people who are professing to be doing something about them.

BB: Such as the people you named?

SG: Yes. Uh, ALEXANDER RIM (phonetic). He is in Elsmere, New York. I don't know if you're aware of that town. He's the director of resources, Division of Resources. Uh, there is a JAMES BEGAIN (phonetic) in Albany, New York. Uh, WILLIAM FIFER (phonetic). He's Diamond National Lumber Company. That's Catskill Bay. That's New York. I'm just reading, uh, what I have from upstate New York. Now, New York City in the part that you don't have contact with, is a whole other matter. There are thousands of people there. ROBERT LOCALLY (phonetic) with General Electric. That's in, how do you say it, Schenectady?

BB: Schenectady.

SG: Yes. Uh, ROBERT FISCALLY with General Electric. General Electric is involved in nuclear power and that must stop. There's a STEVEN STAYMENS or STAMENS (phonetic) of Exxon, uh, 325 Evandale Road, in Scarsdale, New York, he is a prime target. ROY H. PARK, uh, he's in Ithica, New York. He is in the TV industry, newspaper, and also I think he's involved with food manufacturing and it's not the food that is, you know, sustaining for people, it's that plastic, chemical type food. That's all I can remember from Canada and upstate New York.

BB: In our listening area. You, you have, uh, stated that these people are targeted for assassination, but what, what is there to, for us to believe that these are just the idle threats of an, an upset young woman who, who wishes to draw attention to her cause?

SG: Well, first of all, if you're sane, it would be your cause too. Clean air and clean water and an earth for your children to walk on would be your cause. Now, you asked about an idle threat. I would have assumed that nine dead bodies in Los Angeles would have been sufficient to wake you up to what you do to yourselves.

BB: I can't relate the, the TATE murders to the, my environment in Ontario, though, SANDRA.

SG: All right, I, I'm thinking on a United States level right now.

BB: Okay. Well, how, how does that, how do those what we nave termed a, atrocities, relate to the environment and its protection?

SG: Uh huh. Well that would have to be explained at length. The people in Los Angeles were never given a defense. The women who were put on trial and MANSON were never allowed to put on a defense. You asked about it being an idle threat. Uh, I would not take that lightly, if I were you. If you were an executive, I wouldn't take that lightly. But if it takes more death to wake you up, then that just remains for you to be seen.

BB: Well, what I'm saying to you, SANDRA, is that, is, we all knew of the, the TATE murders, uh, that story.

SG: Uh hum.

BB: And as people interested in the environment, it's, we cannot fathom how you can possibly relate that, uh, in the manner in which those murders were committed.

SG: Can you, can you relate or can you excuse and uphold a people that -- I say I don't know how bad your pollution is in Canada, but when you look at a sky and it's grey day after day and people are coughing and their eyes are running, uh, can you uphold people that, that do this to the air? Can you uphold people that ravage the land, that slaughter wildlife? You're having a moose hunt. You told me this. There's, uh, going to be a moose hunt. can you...

BB: Well, a moose....

SG: Can you uphold and condone people who line up and point their guns and slaughter the animals as they come out of the woods? The deer hunters, the moose hunters. How on earth can you condone that?

BB: I can't. I can't condone it, but how, I....

SG: Okay, let me....

BB: .... to me, a murder, a movie actress was murdered....

SG: Right.

BB: ....and a hairdresser.

SG: Huh?

BB: A hairdresser and a movie actress. These aren't the leaders of major polluting corporations.

SG: Um, there's more involved than you see. There's much more involved than you have been allowed to see in that, in that spot. But, other than point the blame at the small group of people, I would suggest that you look at the extreme amount of murder that goes on every day, uh, governmental murder, wars, uh, the murder of our environment. And I don't like to use the environment, the word environment, because it's such abstract word. you know, it, I would say trees and land, flowers and bushes, and wildlife, and air, and you know that makes it a little more real. But then you have to go out and you have to look at the earth. You have to get in touch with it and then you feel that that's yourself that's being murdered. When you, people's attention is all on Hollywood, you know, in this country. Uh, the silver screen, the illusion that's put out through Hollywood.

BB: Yes.

SG: And that has nothing to do with life. It's, it's suffering, and sex and violence and it takes people away from the live things. Uh...

BB: You and, you and I are the same age.

SG: Really?

BB: Yes, and, but you have, uh, evolved into a way of thinking that I have not. Now, what's the difference? I was exposed to the same influence, many of the same things, such as radio, television, motion pictures, and so on. I have, I share some, uh, uh, grief about the destruction of the earth, the land, the trees and the flowers. But, at what point did you become, uh, a part of the so-called International People's Court and decide that horrible retributions must be made against people? What happened? Is it CHARLES MANSON or what is it that has brought you to this way of thinking, SANDRA?

SG: Well, first of all, I am speaking of information I have from the IPCR, from the International People's Court, uh, it doesn't mean I am going to go out and perpetuate these things, I have my realm of activity right now and that's taking care of my family. Uh...

BB: Your family?

SG: Yes, my family in prison. LYNNE's in prison right now.

BB: LYNETTE FROMME?

SG: Right. And I will be doing a lot of running for her on the outside regarding her defense. And a lot of other things, but the International People's Court of Retribution is of some 2,000 people throughout the word and I'm issuing a warning to those people who are harming the environment. How did I become aware of things? In other words, you say it grieves you to see these things. There are degrees of how much it grieves you. When it starts, when you see a tree cut and you feel that it's your own body being cut or you see a bulldozer just mowing down life and then covering it over with concrete, pretty soon it starts to, it feels like your own body. You know, woman is the earth. It's woman's responsibility to look out for the earth and to treat it as she would treat herself. Now you look at how women treat themselves. The spend, what, nine billion dollars on cosmetics in this country, spray cans, food that doesn't nourish their children, food that's just full of things that they have proven cause cancer, and she's more worried about what her hair looks like. She sits in front of the TV, and she lives in these illusions rather than showing concern for the earth that her children have to live on. I as a woman feel that what's being done to my earth, I feel as though it's being done to myself. And I love the earth. That might not be real to you, the word love. It isn't very real to a lot of people because love has been portrayed as a thing tied up with pain, suffering, and jealousy. But I love the earth in a childlike way. If you see the kids, how they sit down and they can just spend hours by a river, you know? Well, I haven't lost that, or in a, in a grassy meadow or something, a kid can spend hours there and be happy. I haven't lost that kind of feeling. So, I've been sensitive to the land for a long time, and I've progressively watched the progressive destruction. I would think that they're getting worse and worse and worse. When I was ten, the sky was blue. When I was fifteen the sky was blue. But since then, it's no longer blue anymore. It makes your stomach hurt the air is so bad. It literally makes you sick to your stomach.

BB: But SANDRA, with all of that, that we so much agree with, you, uh, have literally terrified thousands of Americans. I called someone in Sacramento, and I mentioned, uh, LYNETTE FROMME and you, SANDRA GOOD, and CHARLES MANSON, and she said, "Oh, it just makes me shudder to hear about those people.'

SG: Uh huh.

BB: Now, how do you react to uh...

SG: Think, there are a lot of good people in, in this country and I'm sure - and you know, of course there are in Canada, and because the media has only put out the part that sells -- you know, the blood thirsty monsters, drug crazed. As far as drugs go, we didn't ever use hard drugs. We took LSD moderately and we smoked marijuana. But the media has us taking heroin and drinking and all these things which we never did. Also, they have only put out a picture of senseless, purposeless violence. That is not good. What I'm telling to you now, the people aren't aware of. Now this woman you spoke to, if she is an executive's wife who is killing the earth, then she should be very terrified. But the working people, the regular everyday people who are just trying to get through a day and make a living, uh, there, they have no bad coming to them, unless they're putting out bad in some way. You know, unless they're abusing their children or, uh, you know, they know what they are doing but we are not the, the IPCR is not directed at these just regular people. I, I don't know how many times I have to stress that the International Peoples Court is against the people who are involved in nuclear power plants, and lumber companies, air pollution, water pollution and the killing of wildlife, and it's primarily the wives of these executives that will be singled out. Now, as far as the wildlife goes, hunters will be hunted. Any hunter is in trouble and the wife of the hunter. Many times the woman of a hunter will, uh, make him feel like he's more of a man if he can go out a kill a beautiful, graceful, majestic animal and bring her his head to put it on the wall. Uh, nobody needs to kill an animal nowadays to eat. Only an Indian should have the right to take an animal's life. It is in their culture. You know, we can, we can make gardens. Every woman should make a garden and anyone, anyone who takes the life of an animal, uh, their life, any day they can get a bullet to their head and be put in somebody's freezer, as they have put animals in their freezer or on their wall. Pretty soon you might see people's head being mounted in the place of moose heads. You know what I mean?

BB: SANDRA, you have to make a phone call, so let me allow you, would you like to do that now?

SG: Yes, and you can try to call back right away. I may not, I may not get through.

BB: Okay. So, we'll just take a brief time out and, and then we'll get back to you. Okay?

SG: Fine. Bye bye.

(Commercial)

BB: SANDRA GOOD will be rejoining us. Would you like to talk to SANDRA personally, or, uh, do you want to make a comment now on the air?

Caller #1: I'd like to talk to her, and will you be on, too.

BB: Yes. she's had to break away to make a phone call.

Caller #1: Yeah.

BB: And so if you'd like to hold on the line, I'll be getting back in touch with her in just a moment or two. Okay?

Caller #1: Yeah, okay then.

BB: By the way, has she left you with any impressions up to now?

Caller #1: She says I'm on her list.

BB: What do you do?

Caller #1: Going hunting. (Laughter) My husband's out hunting so I guess I'm on her list, eh?

BB: Wait till he finds out when you get home. (Laughter) I mean, wait till he gets home.

Caller #1: Yeah.

BB: For heaven's sake. Uh, we'll be right back. I'm going to leave you on hold then, okay? Just don't hang up.

Caller #1: O.K.

BB: O.K. This is Open Line - 645-3221 is our number, and our guest on the phone from California is SANDRA GOOD. Now, I haven't broached the subject Off CHARLES MANSON to any extent and I wanna try to do that when I get back in touch with SANDRA in just a few moments. SANDRA began issuing blood curdling threats against people who she felt were guilty of polluting the environment as you heard, and she earmarked about a half a dozen leading businessmen in the South and their wives and, a, gave the Associated Press a death list of 75 businessmen, and these would be carried out by what she has called the 2,000 member strong International People's Court of Retribution. Um, and once again, a, part of her statement was any woman who allows her body to control or sell products harmful to the people in the environment will be viciously murdered. Anyone who advertises or manufactures food or drugs injurious to people's health will be killed. The air, the water, the trees, and the wildlife are part of the MANSON Family.

(Commercial)

BB: O.K. Once again from California SANDRA GOOD. SANDRA, what was it that you were gonna say?

SG: What I've been saying may be unreal to you or hard to comprehend. I see, MANSON sees, that Los Angeles will burn, will burn to the ground. Now, when that will happen I don't know, but apparently it takes a lot to wake people up to themselves, you know.

BB: Are you in regular touch with CHARLES MANSON?

SG: I have communication with him.

BB: Could you give us an insight into what kind of a person CHARLES MANSON is?

SG: That would be very, very hard, being as he is essentially a reflection, by he, what he has been made in the media, he has been created by the media pretty much as a reflection of' what people feel about themselves, not all people, but many people. There is a lot of violence in this country here, a lot of distortions a lot of monstrousness, and essentially that element of this country has created MANSON in their own image. He has been left out of this world's madness. He's been left out of the confusion of this world. He's been left out of our programming, our schools, our churches, our one set of parents -- mom and dad, his mind has been left totally open to see things that we cannot see because we have been raised in a particular manner, with certain input into our brains. We have segmented ourselves into particular jobs and receive information relevant to those jobs and the information that is given to us over the television or through the media, and so our scopes are very, very, very limited as people, as all people, and knowing is available to everybody yet it is held down. We, our minds, are, are locked. People's minds are very locked.

BB: Well, this is an opportunity now to enlighten for one person myself that you have mentioned in your statement the MANSON Family. Could you describe what that is?

SG: Well, that was a term that the news media gave a lot of people that were arrested. In other words, some 30 people were, were rounded up at various times for living together, jailed, harassed and jailed, and usually the charges were dismissed because they couldn't stick -- the charges were false. We were chased into the desert finally. We weren't being left alone so we went to the desert, and when we were all rounded up and jailed for the TATE-LA BIANCA murders the media gave the name the MANSON Family. So that is pretty much a media name.

BB: Well, you've, you've, ascribed some traits to CHARLES MANSON which would lead me to believe that you revere him in some way and...

SG: I didn't describe, he can't be described, really. He, um, one thing I can say about him is he never lies. He never, never, never lies. His word is always good, and The Family, the people that live together, I'm calling them Family because the news calls us The Family...

BB: Well, it's a convenient term...

SG: Right, it's convenient term. We've never lied to one another, we were always truthful, we loved each other, uh, we didn't compete with one another, nobody tried to prove that they were better than one another, we, we cooperated and lived for each other.

BB: Well, it, it came out in the press the, the words that you have just stated as a sort of of a drug-sex culture of a, or a, mindless people.

SG: Right. Well, that sells papers. If, if you describe people as living like children and loving each other and able to make it without the system, um, we dropped out. We were a lot of kids then that dropped out. MANSON took us up and showed us the a streams, the animals, we were out of the city, and we were making it very well on our own. We were living off of throw-aways of, of the city people, and making do very well. We sang a lot, we danced a lot, we had, we raised children, but this was not with society's liking -- in other word's we were too independent. We weren't hurting anybody but we didn't have washing machines, we washed our clothes in the creek. We didn't have hot water, we boiled it, um, this type thing, and so the Health Department would come down on us. We were very clean but not in city sense of the word clean. We didn't have aerosol cans and we didn't have washing machines and, uh, what do you call it, dishwashers, and....

BB: Yes.

SG: Things like that. And then as far as the media goes, they generally want things that, that are sensational, and so they'll go into the drugs and the distorted sex, you know distorted sex orgies and things like that which, is untrue.

BB: O.K. Let me, a, open up the line. There are a number of people waiting to talk to you so, our number is 645-3221 and I'll go through the calls as quickly as possible. Hello. You're on the air

Caller #1: Hello, SANDRA?

SG: Yes.

Caller #1: Oh, God! I think you're unbelievable. (Laughter) I know the things that you're saying are true part of it is true, but what is beyond me, I first of all, I guess I'm on your list. You say you want hunters and hunters' wives, well my husband right now is gone hunting for a week but I don't think the way you, you phrase it or put it. He's out hunting. We live in Hamilton but we were born and raised about 450 miles from here up in Corcoran, and my husband goes up there, he went up last year he never killed a moose or nothing, but he goes up there for relaxation...

SG: Uh huh.

Caller #1: He can hear the brooks run, the little rivers . . .

SG: Uh huh...

Caller #1: The leaves, he's going back to nature because we don't have this in Hamilton, but if he comes home without an animal, you know, he won't be in a fit. It's relaxing up there .

SG: Good, good...

Caller #1: I don't want to send him out there, ya know, don't....

(Both Caller #1 and SG talking at same time)

SG: That's good. A man should be able to and get, get down to the earth, but he doesn't have to kill an animal and it's your duty to make sure that he doesn't kill anymore animals, it's up to you, you can stop him and and maybe you, next time, and the kids can all go with him and just sit down and you have to learn how to just relax, you know, without doing anything. A lot of times people feel they have to be doing something, and when it comes down to killing an animal, that can no longer be excused, and so you just have to find some other way of just, of learning how to just relax, lie in the sun or take a swim or walk around and look at the, look at the flowers and the tress and things, but don't be killing anymore animals or you're in trouble.

Caller #1: (Following being said while SG was finishing last sentence:) OH, O.K. that way I agree with you. I agree with you for that...

SG: Huh?

Caller #1: I agree everything you said on environment and all, you know the things that they're doing bad, big industries and such things. like that...

SG: Uh huh...

Caller #1: But the thing that I do not agree with you is the way you, you've shown us, like you said you've given us a little, a little bit of something that can happen later, meaning those killings that you, you, you did, you know, the people related to in MANSON. Well, I don't think that's right, because if you were such loving people and back to earth and love the environment and love the little seals and loved all the things that you say you do love....

SG: Uh huh....

Caller #1: I don't know how you can take a human being's life. I really do not know. I don't belong to a church and I'm not that strong, like we go to church, but I mean I'm not a devote something, whatever it is....

SG: Uh huh.

Caller #1: But I think going back to earth, I think that things of nature is beautiful in God....

SG: Uh huh...

Caller #1: But I do not understand, beyond me, how you can take, snuff out the life of those people without, you say, love....

SG: Uh huh....

Caller #1: I don't think there's any love in that at all. You....

(Caller #1, SG and BB all begin to talk at once)

BB: (Mumbling) Let, let me, let's let SANDRA answer that.

Caller #1: O.K.

SG: O.K. See, here, here's the thing. Those murders were never allowed to be explained. MANSON and the women were never allowed to speak. There is a whole lot about those murders that must be explained because it's inextricably, those murders are inextricably bound up with thousands and thousands of murders that go on in the world every day, you know, Vietnam War, the killings that go on in the streets, the intrigues of the CIA. There is, there is so much blood on this earth that it's, you know, it's soggy with blood and to focus on one little family who is showing the world what they do to themselves -- those women gave their lives to wake you up and they were never allowed to, there is much more to those murders than, than you have ever read about....

BB: O.K.

SG: Or heard about, and they must be explained. All of our survival in this country depends on the MANSON Family being allowed to explain what happened in '69 because those problems -- like those were NIXON's children, you know, we were raised up in NIXON, into the, well, the system, and when I say NIXON's children, I'm, I'm speaking symbolically. That had nothing to do with MANSON. We are a reflection. Those children, us, the women that are now in prison for the murders, were a reflection of the madness that goes on in the United States everyday. And people should have been, people should have looked at that picture and said those are our children and what are we pushing children to.

BB: O.K. SANDRA, hold on. Uh, ma'am, thank you for your call.

Caller #1: O.K.

BB: O.K. And let's take another call because we're running out of time. Hello. BB.

Caller #2: Hello. Yes.

BB: Go ahead.

Caller #2: I would like do ask SANDRA how she can talk about, the violence in the media when she gets on the air and preaches violence just as strong, or stronger, than the media does, and you know it just doesn't ah, it seems to contradict everything she says.

BB: O.K. SANDRA?

SG: O.K. Now, for decades the media has been everyday, for money purposes, projecting death over the media, shoot-em-ups, senseless killing, you know you got the good guys and the bad guys....

Caller #2: Yeah, but yours is senseless killing too...

SG: And you've got, you've got killing, killing, killing and suffering and all this kind of stuff to sell products, to sell toothpaste, to sell deodorant. Now...

Caller #2: (Mumbling) You're getting away, you're...

(Both Caller #2 and SG talking at same time)

SG: The minds or people, the kids soak this right up.

Caller #2: You're getting away from the, the question.

SG: O.K., no I, I've got your question in mind. Now, what I'm saying is the International People's Court is moving to stop that, the media must be used to show live things.

Caller #2: But you're doing, you're using the media for exactly the same purposes you're saying, a, that you're gonna kill them for.

SG: No, I'm not saying....

Caller #2: Exact, yes you are, your, everyday...

(Both Caller #2 and SG talking at same time)

SG: ....2,000 people internationally. They will put a stop to the misuse of the media. When LA burns, you'll see...

Caller #2: It won't burn....

SG: Hollywood sold itself as a harlot. It has been projecting madness into the minds of people for many, many years. This must stop because this effects everybody. I'm warning the people. I'm just telling them what's going to happen.

Caller #2: Does anybody really take your threat serious?

SG: Pardon me?

Caller #2: Does anybody really take your threat serious?

SG: Huh. That remains to be seen. When LA burns to the ground....

Caller #2: When?

SG: That might show you something....

Caller #2: When? You seem to be able to predict everything else, but when's LA gonna burn to the ground?

SG: I can't say a time....

Caller #2: When CHARLES says so?...

SG: You know there are, there are things of a cosmic nature that...

Caller #2: No, not nature's, you people are gonna do it yourselves, aren't you?...

SG: You can't put in terms of dates. Putting something in terms of a date?

BB: Uh, he's asking whether LA will be a victim of arson or of some natural phenomena. Will, will the People's Court (unintelligible).

SG: No, LA has, has judged itself, LA will consume itself in flames.

BB: O.K. Any other, any other question Mr. Caller?

Caller #2: No, I guess that's it.

BB: O.K. -- you're on the air.

Caller #3: Yeah, could you ask her if she wears shoes or did they feed the children milk?

BB: SANDRA is listening. Did you hear the question?

SG: No, I didn't.

Caller #3: Do you, do you wear shoes; do you feed your children milk? .

SG: I make milk out of nuts. I, I, crack nuts and, and make nut milk.

BB: Shoes?

SG: In the wintertime, I wear thongs made out of, um, canvas....

Caller #3: I don't believe it.

BB: You wear thongs made out of canvas, but of course where you live it, there aren't harsh winters, you don't walk in snow.

SG: No, and also there's a lot of like, you know, as far as boots and warm clothes goes, there's plenty of those things available. You know, like everybody can have, like in, you know with the snow have some good warm boots and and I think what the man's getting at is they're lined with furs. Alright, there are plenty of fur boots and fur clothes. Fine, use them, but don't be killing anymore animals. There are enough, there are enough...

(Both Caller #3 and SG talking at same time)

Caller #3: (Mumbling) I'm not gonna win the argument but I guess all the steel makers are on your list as well.

SG: Pardon me?

BB: Uh...

Caller #3: All the steel makers are on your list?

SG: What did he say?

BB: SANDRA, Hamilton is a steel town where steel is produced and there is a tremendous amount of pollution from open hearths and coke ovens and so on, so he is imagining that the makers of that steel are also on your list.

SG: The executives of that industry, yes, because we do not need steel anymore.

Caller #3: (Mumbling)

SG: Steel is not necessary...

Caller #3: She's got to be sick.

(Caller #3 hangs up - humming sound online)

BB: You were just hung up on, a...

SG: So, he, he will justify steel products at the cost of the air and of the water. That's insane, that is absolutely insane. How much does your life depend on steel? Your life is more dependent on clean air and water than steel.

BB: I would say that if the steel companies in Hamilton close down, there would be a, not only a severe depression but perhaps sort of a...

SG: Now, Here's what has to happen. The steel company people have to right away put all their money and and technological know-how into devising a new alternative for the people. There's no need for people to be unemployed, maybe temporarily, but a change is in order. There are alternatives to that steel industry there can be agricultural things instead, where, to replace something that's harmful to the environment they can have a vast garden, There are many, there are many other things that people can do. They can clean up what they've done. First of all, they can clean up and replant the life that has been ripped out of the ground to, a, put that steel company there. We don't need steel. Maybe that, maybe they need steel in their throats, you know, the executives of that company. But the people don't need steel anymore, and so they best stop and make new jobs for those people.

BB: SANDRA, let's take another call here. Hello. You're on the air.

SG: O.K.

BB: Yes, go ahead.

Caller #4: Am I talking to SANDRA now?

SG: Yes.

Caller #4: Oh hi. As I was just wondering like, you're talking about nature and peace and all that...

SG: Uh huh.

Caller #4: And then the next second you're saying we should, a, kill, kill these people, just seems very hypocritical....

SG: (Following being said while Caller #4 was finishing last sentence): The IPCR realizes that if these people aren't stopped, you, you should come to the United States and just look at New York City and Los Angeles...

Caller #4: I used to live there....

SG: It's intolerable. People can't breathe barely. It's getting to a, a, there's cancer causing materials in the air and the water. Literally it's killing the people. Now, if these people don't stop, the IPCR is giving them a chance to stop, if they don't stop the pollution they will be killed, for the well-being of all people.

Caller #4: Well, a...

SG: If money is continued to be put over life, then we all die.

Caller #4: Did I hear you defending that, ah, "SQUEAKY" or that LINDA girl who tried to assassinate President FORD?

SG: Yes.

Caller #4: Well I can't see that either because, ah, I mean after six years of NIXON, I think you'd be perfectly satisfied with a dingbat like FORD.

SG: Huh. He is a dingbat but NIXON put him in office and he's upholding the same thought that NIXON is, you know, the same lies, the same corruption and he is upholding the industries that pollute. The man gets on the media everyday. He has three hundred million people looking up to him as a father image of this country, and he is in a position to, ah, solve problems yet he does nothing but talk, like, ah, like a fool.

BB: In your opinion, did Lynne Fromme honestly try to take the life of GERALD FORD?

SG: I'm forbidden to talk about that. There's a gag rule and, um, since I'm one of her witnesses I cannot speak on that.

BB: O.K.

Caller #4: Well, ah LINDA I'd also, or SANDRA, I'd also like to say I don't want to get on your list or anything but I think you should have a nice long talk with a good shrink.... And it would probably do you a lot of good.

SG: Those....

BB: Thank you....

SG: I'll tell you about psychi (Caller #4 hangs up) atrists. They are programmed by their patients you know. They're, they, a...

BB: SANDRA, he's gone now. I just took him off because we're almost out of time. Let me ask you that. Many people think that you are mentally ill and all the MANSON people. What is your reply to that?

SG: Well, due to misunderstanding, that's, you know, from the media input, I can see where some people would think that. Now, a lot of people who are mentally ill would project that upon us. We are very, very lucid and clear of mind, extremely clear. You might call us super sane. Uh, psychiatrists, these people are programmed by their patients and they are living in their books and living in sick minds and so I wouldn't send my worst enemy to a shrink. Maybe the heads of these corporations....

BB: Um.

SG: Retribution.

BB: SANDRA, um, I don't know what to say about our conversation, ah, are you, you haven't been, you haven't discussed you said that the, TATE murder, ah, would have to be explained from MANSON's point of view and it hasn't been and when I asked you earlier you didn't really get into it at all.

SG: No, NIXON, NIXON said the Family was guilty before they even, well they were just barely into the trial and NIXON proclaimed them guilty. Before that, the media had already convicted them in the press. They were never allowed to speak. They were never allowed to put on a defense. It was all the District --

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GOOD: Hello

SCHUTZE: Hi. This is Jim Schutze, at the Free Press, I have a tape recorder hooked up. Am I calling back too soon?

GOOD: No, you're not.

SCHUTZE: O. K. Ahem, I'm calling about the names Gerstacker, and C. B. Branch. Gerstacker is chairman of the board of Dow and Branch is President. They both appeared on that list and....

GOOD: O. K. I have -- just let me just give you a few right now, because I have things to do. A.P. Fontaine of Birmingham, Michigan, American Forest Products. He's engaged in cutting down trees, uh.... Roy D. Chapin of Grosse Pointe, Michigan, chairman of American Motors, automotive pollution....

SCHUTZE: Yeah.

GOOD: William S. Pickett, Ford Motor Company; Henry Ford the Second, Grosse Point Farms, Michigan; V. A. DeCoca, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan; Edward N. Cole, Thomas A. Murphy, Bloomfield Hills; John A. Townsend of Chrysler of Bloomfield Hills; John J. Ricardo; Eugene A. Catherio; Allen Forster of -- in other words, there are many, many, many, many, people who are being watched. I just named some auto companies. They can redesign their engines that use fuel that does not pollute the environment.

SCHUTZE: Yes.

GOOD: They must put all their money into changing the engines of the automobiles so we don't have to breathe their poison any longer.

SCHUTZE: O.K.

GOOD: I'll read you a statement that I --

SCHUTZE: Ma'am, can you tell me before you go on, can you tell me who you are so I'll know who to quote?

GOOD: All right, Sandy Good.

SCHUTZE: Oh, O. K., that's fine.

GOOD: Blue is my name.

SCHUTZE: Sue?

GOOD: Blue. B - L - U - E. The color blue. All right, the International People's Court Of Retribution is a wave of assassins. It is made up of several thousand people throughout the world who love the earth, the children and their own lives. They have been silently watching executives, chairmen of the boards and their wives of companies and industries that in any way harm the air, water, earth and wildlife. Executives and their wives will get back what they have put out. Also, anyone who uses the media to sell products that are harmful to the environment will also be killed. Anyone who advertises or manufactures food or drugs injurious to the people's health will also be killed. Media executives and any newspapers must stop selling the public distorted sex and violence in the form of entertainment. If your Free Press is dealing in pornography, Clean it up. Get all of that garbage out of your paper or you're going to get it right back up your ass. you know.

SCHUTZE: Well, let me....

GOOD: Is your paper a porno paper?

SCHUTZE: Oh, no, this is a pretty straight paper.

GOOD: You - oh, it isn't?

SCHUTZE: No, it isn't.

GOOD: I'm saying to all porno shops, magazines, clean up, get all that distortion out of your...

SCHUTZE: Let me ask...

GOOD: ...print.

SCHUTZE: O. K. What about the....

GOOD: Let me finish reading.

SCHUTZE: Go ahead.

GOOD: Media executives and their wives must stop selling the public distorted sex and violence in the form of entertainment to the children and people of this country or be subject to the same violence and perversions. New jobs must be given the people that serve and heal the earth rather than jobs that further destroy it. All executives, chairmans of the board, put all your money and technological know-how into cleaning up what you have nearly destroyed. Your time is running out.

SCHUTZE: O.K.

GOOD: Also, this is very important, any woman who puts money, social position and her looks, based on television and magazine images over the well-being of the earth and her children is subject to being treated as she has allowed the earth to be treated. She will have done to her exactly what she has allowed to be done to the earth. I'm speaking to the wives of these executives and chairmans of the board. They push their husbands to do what they do.

SCHUTZE: Was the Ford attempt a part of this general campaign?

GOOD: I'm saying, look, you world, I'm saying this, look, you world, you've hidden your eyes to what you do to a family of people who made the mistake of living real with love, so as to wake you to what you do to yourselves.

SCHUTZE: O.K. Can you tell me if Lynette was acting, you know, if she was acting under the same concern that you had talked about this?

GOOD: The problems besetting the earth and the children, the wildlife -- we feel these very, very deeply. There's a lot moving in thought, much more than that, there's a lot moving in thought that must have new light shed upon it if we as a country are going to survive. Nobody in the government can make a positive decision. No one in the universities can make a positive decision. They're too busy running in past confusion, past book confusion. It's getting us nowhere, but deeper and deeper into a madness that's going to erupt and no one out here can stop it. We must let Manson out. We must let Manson speak. We must give him a seat in the United Nations. I doubt that he will want to help us, but all we can do is hope that he'll do, that he will help us out of the mess that we as a people have created for our- selves....

SCHUTZE: Can it...

GOOD: ...as a country.

SCHUTZE: Can I tell you what I hear most of here in Detroit....

GOOD: Sure.

SCHUTZE: ...is that, you know, people say, why should we listen to Manson and the family. They say Manson is crazy, he's a killer.

GOOD: Uh huh. I say to the people, let's look at-the killers, let's look at all the killers. Look at Nixon, why is he walking free. Look at your government. How much blood has been shed on this earth. How much blood on this earth. Who will stop the killers? Manson can prevent violence. It you will listen to him, if you will admit to yourselves that you don't know what you're doing, that you do not have solutions to the problems that are moving across this country, if you will listen to him, he can prevent much, much madness.

SCHUTZE: O.K., the average person in the public is going to say, that Lynette is a would-be killer, right? So what is...

GOOD: I say to you, look at your leaders, look at your government leaders and what they are doing and what you're allowing to be done. Look at what you're letting happen to your earth. Look what is being projected into the minds of your children through the media and magazines and what they're exposed to on the street now. Look at it. Look at yourselves, people. Don't point your bloody fingers at the last family who gave their lives to show you what you do to yourselves. Look what you do to your children. What are you pushing them to? It's gonna come right back down your throat.

SCHUTZE: Can you tell me why specifically Dow -- why?

GOOD: Dow, many of, that's I didn't even give you a tiny bit of the list, that was an infintesimal part of what the news I've received of the International People's Court's plans. Dow Chemical has products polluting the environment, they have used napalm on thousands and thousands of people in Asia, they have always put money over lives. We do not need aerosol cans, we do not need chemicals in our food, we do not need plastics, we do not need any of that, anything that is detrimental to the environment and the people's well-being, we do not need. We need the blue sky, we need clean air, we need clean water, we need grass, we don't want more cement, we don't need more pollutants, they're killing us. Dow has been killing the people of this United States and people in other countries. They know what they've done.

SCHUTZE: Can you do it through the violence yourself though? Don't you get caught up in this?

GOOD: The International People's Court is about 2,000 strong, they're people who love their lives and they love the earth.

SCHUTZE: Alright.

GOOD: Alright, just look, just open your eyes and look. Start listening to your children. Ask them how they like the earth. Do they like the sky a sickly gray-brown or do they like it blue? What are you putting in their minds? What are you subjecting your children to? Clean up, clean up.

SCHUTZE: Can I ask one thing? If you....

GOOD: Hurry up, I have to go.

SCHUTZE: O.K. If you find that you're not being honestly reported in the press, why don't I give you my name and number and I think you'll always find that if you'll give me a call I think that I will be pretty straight and fair about this stuff.

GOOD: Uh huh, that's what they all say,

SCHUTZE: Well, I know that.

GOOD: You people that cover up the truth that the Manson Family has been saying you're only digging your own selves in deeper....

SCHUTZE: Well, why not get...

GOOD: Keep putting yourselves deeper in madness. O. K., give it, go ahead.

SCHUTZE: Jim Schutze, last name is S - C - H - U - T - Z - E.

GOOD: Uh huh.

SCHUTZE: And the phone is area 313-222-6831. That's the Detroit Free Press. Call me collect anytime and you know....

GOOD: O.K. now listen to me. If you're dealing in pornography, If you're projecting that distorted sex into the minds of the kids, you're gonna get it, O.K.?

SCHUTZE: Well O.K., tell me exactly what you mean by that.

GOOD: If you are projecting distorted sex images, uh, kids look at your papers -- that hurts them badly. You clean up your paper.

SCHUTZE: But what do you mean by you're gonna get it, you know you gotta be straight

GOOD: You're gonna be killed if you keep poisoning the minds of the kids with all that trash, you're gonna be killed. Now clean up your paper, do you understand me?

SCHUTZE: O.K.

GOOD: Do you understand me?

SCHUTZE: I understand what you're saying.

GOOD: Alright, you clean up that paper. I've just been told that it's a, somewhat of a rag, that you put out those ads for whipping and you know, all that distorted sex....

SCHUTZE: No, you're thinking of the San Francisco papers.

GOOD: Oh, you're not a, you're not a rag then?

SCHUTZE: Oh no, we're a very (unintelligible) paper.

GOOD: O.K.

SCHUTZE: This is a working class city.

GOOD: O.K. Alright you can apply what I just said to any rag that you're familiar within your area. You may issue that statement to any other porno papers.

SCHUTZE: O.K.

GOOD: Of your

SCHUTZE: Sure.

GOOD: O.K.

SCHUTZE: O.K.

GOOD: O.K. Bye-bye.

SCHUTZE: Sandra, thank you for your time.

GOOD: O.K.

SCHUTZE: Bye.

(Hung up phone)

THE SENTENCING PORTION OF BLUE'S LAST DAY IN COURT

The Prosecutor: With respect to both defendants, first of all I think that some of the latest thinking in penology has begun to get away from the idea of rehabilitating criminals and admitting the fact that we just haven't found a way to do that and that we ought to be more concerned with providing appropriate punishment to a defendant and in segregating a defendant from society....

Good: How about Nixon?

Prosecutors: ....with respect to Miss Good, in reading the probation report and listening to her comments... I think she has demonstrated that she has no respect whatever for the rules of a civilized society. She has no respect whatever for human llfe... It seems to me that Miss Good, having been convicted of five felonies, that society is now entitled to be protected from her for as long as possible. (And that she should be) separated from society so if she doesn't demonstrate she's rehabilitated, she can be prevented from preying on innocent victims.
With respect to Miss Murphy.... she seems to be proud of her participation. And in fact has demonstrated a complete disregard for this particular law and the interests of society involved in that we have evidence that on the day before the verdict in this case, March the 15th, 181 letters approximately were mailed from Sacramento to the same victims that were on the original lists.... one.... one of the worst... with the red all over it and the butcher through the bedrooms and that kind of thing. That was sent... and another letter... whlch talks about your own blood spilled out if you don't stop killing, IPCR, Manson, this kind of thing. The third letter with a fingerprint...capital letters "STOP POLLUTING THE EARTH OR YOU WILL BE KILLED AND THIS NO BULLSHIT."... It seems to me that society ought --

The Court: Let me interrupt you.... There is no formal evidence before the Court that would permit me to take into consideratlon the statement that you have just made....

Prosecutor: ....In any event, it seems to me that these defendants have demonstrated that they have no right to continue to walk free and we hope that the Court would strongly consider the needs ot the victims and society in being protected from people like this.

The Court: Thank you. Now Mr. Shubb, Miss Good, I don't know who is going to make the statement here, but whichever one of you wishes to make the statement may do so at this time.

Good: Alright. Mr. Babcock says that I have no regard for human lives in this civilized society. I look at your civilized society and I see your criminals are walking free. I see Lieutenant Calley who murdered 102 men, women, and children is out walking around. Nixon is walking around who sold out this country. I see in your civilized society there is no respect for human lives, not even any regard for the lives of your children. You're killing - you're allowing to be killed, your air, your water, your land, your trees, your wildlife. You look in the papers and see how many new strains of cancer they're predicting because of chemicals, untested chemicals that are allowed to go into the food and the air. You see these corporate executives are allowed to continue to poison the very things that keep us civilized people alive in your civilized society. You do not believe in God anymore. You're not civilized without God. You do not believe in Christ. You kill everything that he loves, everything that he died for.

I see your media uses crime and fear and sells that through the media for money. All the truth is so buried and so hidden that I see you will soon lose your minds. You have no truth to hold you up. You have killed it. And you keep on killing it. I have so much a strong regard for human life and those people who do want to live, especially your children whose instinct it is to live, that I cannot bear to be outside in your society and watch the things that I love being destroyed every day. I see the air gets worse and worse. I see the ocean has very little time left. I see that the whales are being killed, the very things that make the balance of ocean are unnecessarily being destroyed. The whole balance of the earth is very, very much upset, the very things that keep us people alive.

The minds of your children are being run through madness by the input that goes into their brains through your media and other things. There is no show of love or concern in your society. There is no truth. There's nothing for people to put their faith in. I cannot live in your society without making some moves to stop what I see is going on. The letters I wrote were warnings to people who have clearly shown the judgement of themselves by their self-destructive acts and the destructive acts that other people must suffer under. These warnings were telling them what would happen to them by their own actions and who would implement these warnings which was the International Peoples Court of Retribution, which moves on many different levels.

In your papers you will witness numerous explosions in chemical factories, accidents in lumber mills or plywood mills. You're going to see a lot of this. You probably noticed an increase in crime on the street. This is not IPCR. This is your own madness coming back on you. You are going to see so much crime and it's going to get out of hand because there is no truth out there. Your world is running on love of money -- love of money, which you put over human life.

My faith and my trust is in Manson and the Manson Family and I wish to be with them. My love is inside myself and with my family.

And Judge MacBride, if you love your as life and if you love life at all, and if your mind is at all not hooked to money, you will do whatever you can and anybody here -- anybody anywhere -- to make sure that my family gets a courtroom to put on the defense and explain so much that you are too cowardly and too in fear to face yourselves. You don't understand what is moving in this country now or how to fix what is happening. You do not have the mind to fix it. And I doubt that you have the love or concern to fix it. But when it gets very, very bad and when it gets bloody and you see madness moving all around you, you best make sure Manson and my family have a courtroom. If not, you are all going to destroy yourselves.

(MURPHY MAKES STATEMENT THAT NOT 181 LETTERS WE'RE MAILED OUT BUT ABOUT 700 AND FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. THE COURT SAYS HE IS NOT SENTENCING WITH THOSE LETTERS IN MIND.)

Good: Your honor, the point is that around June or much earlier many of those letters were already in the hands of different people across the country and if the FBI would say where those postmarks were from.... the majority of them are from back East. And the point I am making is if you think -- you wishfully think -- locking us up is going to protect your civilized society from the judgements that people -- I'm referring to the corporate executives -- that locking us up is going to prevent what they have coming, there are many, many people outside -- many people.

Murphy: I want the maximum sentence and I want to go with the Manson Family.

Good: I want you to do everything in your power as a federal Judge to ensure the clean-up of waters, to stop the cutting down of the trees, the destruction of the national parks like Death Valley and the park in Utah where they're planning on building nuclear power plants. I want you to do everything you can to stop this. You have the ability to do it. You show some concern.

The Court: Miss Good, you flatter me, frankly, to assume that I, as a Federal Judge sitting up here, can take on a task as enormous as that.

Good: You can talk to other judges.

The Court: I want you to understand I share your concern for the earth. I really do.

Good: Then let our family out and let us fix it and you let be done what need be done.

The Court: I don't feel that letting Mr. Manson out and the others who were convicted of the Tate/LaBianca murders is the way to go about getting the earth straight insofar as the environmental problem is concerned.

Good: But you let Calley walk free and you let Nixon and you let these executives who are killing us walk around. Why don't you speak about these people? We can fix it.

The Court: I don't plan to. I don't plan to, Miss Good. Now, yesterday Mr. Shubb, came to my office and advised me that you hoped I would not give you a lecture today at the time of sentencing and I don't propose to do so. But what I now have to say is said only in justification of the sentences that I am about to pronounce.

Good: You don't need to justify. I want to be inside with my family. You don't need to Justify. You can't.

The Court: Miss Good --

Good: It's my desire to go to prison.

The Court: Miss Good, I gave you full opportunity to make a complete statement in argument at the conclusion of your trial. I have given you ample opportunity to say a number of things today, and I think you said them very clearly. But now it's my turn. I respected your right to speak and I ask that you respect my right to speak.

Good: Okay. Don't lie.

The Court: I will make every effort not to lie. I don't believe that I will.

Good: And face what I say.

The Court: And will you please be quiet while I making my statement.

Good: (Affirmative)

The Court: Now, at the outset, I believe that both of you are a danger to society by the attitude you're taking in furtherance of your cause. I look upon your conduct as acts or terrorism, frankly. They're hardly less egregious than the acts of political hijackers and kidnappers. Your letters, and in the case of you, Miss Good, your statements over the radio, couldn't help but strike terror, as you intended, into the hearts and minds not only of the addresees of the letters, but to the families, the neighborhoods, and to a substantial portion of the business and recreational life of the nation. And by your own admission that's what you intend. In considering the graphical scope of your mailng list and the listening audience of your radio statements, your apparent object was to hold almost the entire nation hostage to your hysterical demand that society should change to a mode of living dictated by you and you alone.

Good: I'm speaking about not destroying the environment. They were warnings of what will happen to these corporate executives if they don't stop poisoning our earth, our water, our air. Now can't you see that? I'm saying our society depends on this.

The Court: Just a minute, Miss Good. I'm going to make this statement, believe me, and....

Good: You're not looking at the truth.

The Court: I'm still going to make the statement. And I'm asking you to be quiet.

Good: You're just talking for the money mind. You're just talking to the money mind. That's all. Go ahead. The kids know. The kids see through it.

The Court: Why don't you be quiet, please.

Good: It's hard.

The Court: I know it's hard but see if you can't restrain yourself, please.
Now, by your own admission you used the constant reminder or Manson and the so-called Manson murders and you superimposed on this the background of the fact that you, Miss Good, have admitted to the probation officer that you were willing to have an unstable person such as Edward Vanderwort commit assassinations for your cause.

Good: Whose cause? The cause of the children.

The Court: -- frankly, the cause that you espoused.

Good: Of all who love the earth. Of all who want to live.

The Court: Alright.

Good: Okay?

The Court: Very well. Thank you. Now frankly, yow might well have succeeded in your objective. All of this boils down to the fact that you have assumed for yourselves the offices, collectively, of accuser, prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner.

Good: No, as witnesses to the truth of what is coming. As witnesses only. I'm one small witness.

The Court: Now I have searched in vain for reasons to mitigate your sentence but from the time of the arrest of both of you up to this moment, neither of you have expressed any contrition, remorse, or repentence for what you have done. In your case, Miss Good, you have even expressed -- and I put it in quotes -- a "possible regret" in your closing argument to the jury that you had not killed someone or removed from the face of the earth a Standard Oil executive. And I am satisfied that if either or both of you were put back on the street today you would immediately resume the evil course of conduct for which you stand convicted. It is the Court's intention that this shall not happen and that society will be spared, at least for a period of years, your contribution to the terrorism and anarchy with which this nation and world are presently plagued.

Good: You'll have anarchy without the family. If you don't let the family have a courtroom, your country goes to anarchy. We are the only ones that can stop anarchy. That's misdirected violence.

The Court: Alright. Now, your remarks are concluded and my speech is concluded. In the case of Miss Murphy, she is to be committed to the custody of the Attorney General for a period of five years.
In the case of Miss Good, she is to be committed to the custody of the Attomey General for a period of five years each on Counts 1, 2, and 3. These sentences will run consecutive to each other for a total of 15 years. With respect to Counts 4 and 5, Miss Good will be committed to the custody of the Attorney General for five years for each of these counts, the sentences to run concurrent with each other and also with the sentences imposed in Counts 1, 2, and 3.

A Poem in Honor of Blue:

In the heart of the desert where the sun sears truth into the earth,
Blue stands as a living flame,
Her spirit a mirror to the raw essence of the world’s pulse.

She is the fire that pierces the veil of illusion,
A beacon whose light cuts through the shadows of neglect and false comfort.
Her voice, a sacred incantation, stirs the dust of forgotten promises,
Rekindling the primal force that drives the earth’s deepest needs.

In the ancient dance of elements,
Blue embodies the earth’s own heartbeat,
Her being entwined with the land’s silent cries and its enduring strength.
Her presence is a force of renewal,
An urgent whisper from the depths of existence, demanding action over apathy.

She moves through the world as a woman of the land,
Her path a trail of fire that scorches through the veil of complacency,
Her words like sacred flames that ignite the spirit of resistance.
In her eyes, the reflection of the earth’s ancient wisdom,
A reminder that true change is born from the heart’s deepest fires.

Blue's call is a mystical summons,
A challenge to the veiled forces that weave illusion and denial,
Her essence a bridge between the elemental forces of destruction and creation,
Guiding the lost back to the sacred balance of life and truth.

Her message is a cosmic truth,
A celestial echo that reverberates through the corridors of time,
A declaration that the earth’s survival is bound with the spirit’s awakening,
And that in the dance of fire and truth, the path to redemption is revealed.